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Archive 2010 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

  
 
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p.4 #1 · p.4 #1 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?


Bifurcator wrote:
Also, what looks good on screen is not always what looks nice printed under room lighting hanging on the wall. So that's another factor to consider.


that's true and always important to consider the difference between reflected light and emitted, but these days my photos are viewed a lot more often on an lcd than a print (even some of the ones hanging on a wall are on an lcd).



Nov 01, 2010 at 11:19 PM
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p.4 #2 · p.4 #2 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?


That nikkor image is a lot like Zeiss. Nice!


cogitech wrote:
The first one is not complimentary to the subject at all, but this is only my subjective opinion.


Sure, it's all subjective at this point!

The second one seems to have an odd colour balance but otherwise it looks OK. No idea what lens you used, but not sure what the point of guessing would be.

My point is that I owned the c/y and for me it is simply the last 50mm I would choose for portraits. So many other 50's I have used will provide results more suited to my particular tastes, and compliment the subject so much more, IMO.

Here is the Rokkor 58/1.2 wide open on 5D, for instance:



I see what you're meaning. It fits with what Rusty was saying too. To me I'd rather have the detailed pours look as a starting point. That way I can take it in any direction I like. If I want the smooth skin tones it's just a single click:




Zeiss Planar 50mm 1,7 : 1/80s, f/1.7, ISO100








Zeiss Planar 50mm 1,7 : 1/800s, F/?, ISO100

And I can go even smoother if I like.

Or if I want to create the uber-grunge almost HDR look then the detail is there to deal with - whereas it might not be with the softer Rokkor, Zuiko, or Takumar. Again it's all subjective as you say and for me it totally depends on my mood rather than the popular opinion of a specific lens. And by mood I mean like answering questions like:

    How far off will the BG be?
    Will there be lots of point lights in the BG?
    Indoors or outside?
    Day light or Night time?
    Overcast or direct Sun?
    What's the presumed mood of the event?
    Are these images I want to add FX to in post?
    etc.


The answers to those things are what prompts me to select a particular lens or pair of lenses. For me it's not so simple as to say: Oh, there will be portraiture so I need to leave my Zeisses and Nikons at home. If that makes any sense...



Nov 02, 2010 at 05:33 AM
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p.4 #3 · p.4 #3 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?


BIF,

For me it is about maximum versatility in 1 lens, rather than a "bag full of 50s" approach (which I have tried). The Rokkor, IMO, does it all. Simply stop it down to f2 or beyond and it is easily sharp enough for that "too much detail" look. With today's "darkroom" tools, it is very straightforward to add more local contrast if desired, but it is not straightforward to turn edgy bokeh smooth. I would always prefer to start with an image that is much closer to what I want for a final product, and for me the Rokkor is most consistent and versatile at providing those desired results.

Again, just my opinion, but I think the Rokkor would have provided a much nicer portrait of that young man than your "smoothed" version taken with the c/y.



Nov 02, 2010 at 08:27 AM
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p.4 #4 · p.4 #4 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?


Yeah, I know what you mean. Here's a Rokkor wide open for added analysis (He leaned forward and kinda mashed his forehead into the focal plane but...):


http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/_Image_By_Lens/ROKKOR_55mm_1.8/Rudy_Rokkor_50mm-1.8_1010371.jpg





Nov 02, 2010 at 09:19 AM
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p.4 #5 · p.4 #5 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?


Hi, OP back again. I just wanted to let everyone know that I decided to get an Oly 50/1.4. It seemed to be a good cost effective starting point. Unfortunately I think I just opened Pandora's box. Thanks for all the great info.

Jason



Nov 02, 2010 at 12:39 PM
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p.4 #6 · p.4 #6 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?


Welcome to the addiction ...


Nov 02, 2010 at 01:35 PM
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p.4 #7 · p.4 #7 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?


jason.alabama wrote:
Unfortunately I think I just opened Pandora's box.


I know the feeling.



Nov 02, 2010 at 02:14 PM
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p.4 #8 · p.4 #8 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?


jason.alabama wrote:
Hi, OP back again. I just wanted to let everyone know that I decided to get an Oly 50/1.4. It seemed to be a good cost effective starting point. Unfortunately I think I just opened Pandora's box. Thanks for all the great info.

Jason


Well Jason, I now can say that in addition to the 1.4 AIS, I've owned the 50/1.2 AIS and the 1.2 Rokkor....both of which were great but I knew I'd rarely use 1.2 or even 1.4 so if I were shooting a lot at F2-F4 why spend so much for F1.2?

Profits from the sale of those two lenses paid for my 180ED and 105AIS, a good trade I think...

Enjoy your Oly.....



Nov 02, 2010 at 06:38 PM
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p.4 #9 · p.4 #9 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?


I just bought a great looking S-M-C Takumar 50mm f1.4 for about 50 euros and an AF confirm adapter for ~20. I'll hopefully have the set (separate sales) on friday, so I'll join in on the MF madness here. Really curious to how I'll like it. I think I found a good price
Still using an 1.6 crop body though...



Nov 03, 2010 at 05:45 AM
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p.4 #10 · p.4 #10 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?


Jay,

The aperture of 1.2 or 1.4 obviously results in a faster lens, and a shallow DOF, but that is not the ONLY reasons for wanting such a lens, as the drawing style of 1.4 shot at f2 can be different from a 1.8 at f2.

So while aprerture/DOF may be essentially the same at f2, the drawing styles (including shaprness, bokeh, etc.) can vary. THAT, in conjunction with the additional speed, can be part of the reason for the price difference.

That having been said, your 180 ED & 105 AIS are two pieces of glass that are known for their drawing style as well. Tough to go wrong either way there ... just a matter of preference as to what you're looking for from your glass.



Nov 03, 2010 at 08:11 AM
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