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Archive 2010 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

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p.3 #1 · p.3 #1 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

Bifurcator wrote:
sebboh,
While I agree about the bargain (beat up exterior) lenses I wouldn't say the 50/1.7 is the lessor of the two for portraiture. It's sharper than the Oly at 2 to 4 meter focusing distances.

i didn't mean i thought the oly was sharper at portrait distances, i'm pretty sure the c/y is sharper at all apertures and distances. i just meant i don't like the look of the c/y for portraits - bad bokeh and overly contrasty.

Oct 30, 2010 at 01:49 PM

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p.3 #2 · p.3 #2 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

http://www.keh.com/camera/Pentax-Screwmount-Fixed-Focal-Length-Lenses/1/sku-PS060108000070?r=FE

Oct 30, 2010 at 01:51 PM

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p.3 #3 · p.3 #3 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

Bifurcator wrote:
sebboh,
While I agree about the bargain (beat up exterior) lenses I wouldn't say the 50/1.7 is the lessor of the two for portraiture. It's sharper than the Oly at 2 to 4 meter focusing distances.

sebboh wrote:
i didn't mean i thought the oly was sharper at portrait distances, i'm pretty sure the c/y is sharper at all apertures and distances. i just meant i don't like the look of the c/y for portraits - bad bokeh and overly contrasty.

Ah, OK, I see.

Oct 30, 2010 at 02:07 PM

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p.3 #4 · p.3 #4 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

alexandre wrote:
what!! buy it now! silvernoses are only very good, but for $20...
expect to pay $100 or so on a > million zuiko. that's normal and fair IMO.
I would have, but I just couldn't justify having a fourth Zuiko 50/1.4.

Oct 31, 2010 at 06:50 PM

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p.3 #5 · p.3 #5 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

RustyBug wrote:
Anybody know what a reasonable price would be for a CLA on the C/Y 50/1.4?

I'd like to price it fairly to compensate for the oil on the blades.

Last week, I paid $50 for a CLA on an Oly 50/1.2 (removed some internal debris), and $175 for cleaning oil from the diaphragm of a Nikkor ED 500/4P.

Oct 31, 2010 at 07:06 PM

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p.3 #6 · p.3 #6 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

For a reasonably priced f1.2, there is a Cosina 55mm f1.2 that's really pretty good in Pentax K mount (also marketed under a couple other brand names), and its predecessor in M42 mount the Tomioka 55mm f1.2 (with the strange shaved rear element). Roughly $300 and $500 respectively. (sometimes cheaper when your lucky, sometime more expensive).

If you don't need f1.2, the SMC Takumar 50 f1.4 is probably the best buy out there.

Oct 31, 2010 at 07:09 PM

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p.3 #7 · p.3 #7 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

sebboh wrote:
i didn't mean i thought the oly was sharper at portrait distances, i'm pretty sure the c/y is sharper at all apertures and distances. i just meant i don't like the look of the c/y for portraits - bad bokeh and overly contrasty.

+1.

I'd never use the c/y for portraits. It would be my last choice.

Nov 01, 2010 at 06:35 AM

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p.3 #8 · p.3 #8 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

It's not like that for me. I like the different renderings at different times. I don't always want the same old thing ALL THE TIME. It's hard to explain. It's like art I guess. I mean I like Salvador Dalí but I don't wanna outfit my entire house in Dalí! A little Escher, a little Rembrandt, you know mix it up... Only Oly renderings? That would suck! To me the different lenses are like different tools (or brushes or something). Each can produce undesirable results (considering the initial desire) so each has to be used in the way they're good at. Like the 50/1.7 has a slightly hard look to the BG bokeh so it's gotta be used with forethought - with that in mind. Same with the Oly, it's super soft so if you want those painterly BG OOF areas you gotta plan for it.

Err, I'm not sure I'm making myself clear but hopefully I'm conveying the general gist of it.

Nov 01, 2010 at 07:14 AM

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p.3 #9 · p.3 #9 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

The various "Drawing Style" of glass is easily the most significant thing I learned from FM. I once thought people were

for having multiple copies of a given FL. Now I are one.

Nov 01, 2010 at 07:57 AM

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p.3 #10 · p.3 #10 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

I think that's the only reason I still have a Rokkor and some Canons, even having so many Zuikos.

Nov 01, 2010 at 08:35 AM

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p.3 #11 · p.3 #11 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

RustyBug wrote:
The various "Drawing Style" of glass is easily the most significant thing I learned from FM. I once thought people were

for having multiple copies of a given FL. Now I are one.

I really like the 50/1.7 but I definitely keep the Oly 50/1.8 around as well as my Mamiya 45/2.8 and may even be time to consider a Rokkor. OT a bt, that's why I have my three brands of wides 20-28 in the form of Nikon, Oly, C/Y. To me, the various drawing styles are like the multitude of brushes a painter might use to render...Show more →

Yup, that's it. I knew about it long ago but didn't have the means to explore it nor really the thirst to do so either. The invention of e-bay and my recent re-interest in the subject have come together to allow me to explore it a bit more in the present day. I'm still limited but the selection of fun and affordable lenses at just about any given length is a plethora even so.

I'm having fun.

Nov 01, 2010 at 08:42 AM

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p.3 #12 · p.3 #12 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

this is the reason i presently have 7 ~50mm lenses.

Nov 01, 2010 at 09:34 AM

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p.3 #13 · p.3 #13 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

Bifurcator wrote:
It's not like that for me. I like the different renderings at different times. I don't always want the same old thing ALL THE TIME. It's hard to explain. It's like art I guess. I mean I like Salvador Dalí but I don't wanna outfit my entire house in Dalí! A little Escher, a little Rembrandt, you know mix it up... Only Oly renderings? That would suck! To me the different lenses are like different tools (or brushes or something). Each can produce undesirable results (considering the initial desire) so each has to be used in the way they're good...Show more →

I hear you and I agree, but I would still never use the c/y for portraits.

Nov 01, 2010 at 12:36 PM

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p.3 #14 · p.3 #14 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

So you hate this look?

http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/_Image_By_Lens/Zeiss_Planar_50mm_f1.7/_1070807.jpg

So, which lens would you say this is from?

http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/_Image_By_Lens/ROKKOR_55mm_1.8/_1020330.jpg

And do you hate it too or like it?

Nov 01, 2010 at 12:47 PM

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p.3 #15 · p.3 #15 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

Bifurcator wrote:
So you hate this look?

So, which lens would you say this is from?

And do you hate it too or like it?

not a big fan of the look of the first one, but i think i might like it more in b&w.

i like the look of the second one better, but would not choose to say i could identify the lens on any of your shots because your pp routine is very different from mine (all your pictures have a very different look than mine even if we use the same lens).

incidentally, when i quoted the text of your post i could see the name of the lens used in the url of each image.

Nov 01, 2010 at 02:32 PM

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p.3 #16 · p.3 #16 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

Yeah, but you seem like a pretty straight guy, I wouldn't expect you to fudge.

Also, what looks good on screen is not always what looks nice printed under room lighting hanging on the wall. So that's another factor to consider.

Crispy printed images are much more appealing to me than crispy screen images. Whereas smooth marshmallowy OOF looks great on screen it doesn't always when printed.

Nov 01, 2010 at 03:24 PM

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p.3 #17 · p.3 #17 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

I wouldn't say I'd 'never' use the 50/1.7 for portraiture ... but I'd definitely be aware of what type of portraiture I'm shooting for. "Character" shots that would enhance features & details I could go with. Smooth skin shots or other pretty/soft work ... not my first choice.

When I think of using the C/Y 50/1.7 for portaiture ... I remember the shot of Scottie Pippen (Chicago Bulls) in SI ... pores, pores & more pores. Gotta be careful what you ask for (i.e. sharpness) you just might get it.

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p.3 #18 · p.3 #18 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

Bifurcator wrote:
So you hate this look?

So, which lens would you say this is from?

And do you hate it too or like it?

The first one is not complimentary to the subject at all, but this is only my subjective opinion.

The second one seems to have an odd colour balance but otherwise it looks OK. No idea what lens you used, but not sure what the point of guessing would be.

My point is that I owned the c/y and for me it is simply the last 50mm I would choose for portraits. So many other 50's I have used will provide results more suited to my particular tastes, and compliment the subject so much more, IMO.

Here is the Rokkor 58/1.2 wide open on 5D, for instance:

http://www.cogitech.ca/photos/Rokkor/IMG_8279.jpg

...and a tighter crop of the same image (fluorescent bulbs) :

http://www.cogitech.ca/photos/Rokkor/IMG_8279_3.jpg

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Nov 01, 2010 at 05:19 PM

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p.3 #19 · p.3 #19 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

I like the "character" of the Nikkor 1.4/AIS for portrait....here a 100% crop off a Canon 40D...renders skin texture very nicely...

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/8903/img9468sqccl.jpg

Nov 01, 2010 at 06:15 PM

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p.3 #20 · p.3 #20 · 50-ish cheap f/1.2 or f/1.4?

Paul, lovely pic of your kid.

Nov 01, 2010 at 10:51 PM

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