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Geert Koning
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Leaf Aptus 80 mp


Anyone who needs more resolution than phase one 65:

http://www.leaf-photography.com/products_aptus212.asp
Sep 20, 2010 at 10:46 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Leaf Aptus 80 mp


Or there is always Seitz panoramic 6x17..
"160 Million Pixels of beauty"...
http://www.roundshot.ch/xml_1/internet/de/application/d438/d925/f934.cfm
Sep 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM
Graham Mitchell
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Leaf Aptus 80 mp


The Seitz brings up a good point. For the landscape crowd, the Seitz is the king of the hill. Yet who else needs 80MP? What is the target market for this camera?
Sep 20, 2010 at 12:22 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Leaf Aptus 80 mp


Huh?

"On the Leaf Aptus-II 12R you can change from landscape to portrait orientation with a simple turn of the Leaf Verto internal sensor rotation dial. Enjoy the comfort of keeping the camera upright, rotating just the sensor."

But, Leaf Aptus-II 12 CCD Size mm: 53.7 x 40.3

What do I not get?
Sep 20, 2010 at 12:55 PM
Graham Mitchell
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Leaf Aptus 80 mp


sirimiri wrote:
Huh?

But, Leaf Aptus-II 12 CCD Size mm: 53.7 x 40.3

What do I not get?

Rotating the sensor does not affect how it fits in the image circle of the lens. This feature is really for 6x6 cameras which can fit both orientations into the same square viewfinder.
Sep 20, 2010 at 01:04 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Leaf Aptus 80 mp


Graham, that part about 6x6 I get - but if this is billed as a Leaf solution, for Mamiya AF bodies with a 2:3 ratio and viewfinder that matches that, how is rotating the sensor going to do you any good? Won't it will clip badly, when looking through the VF?


Sep 20, 2010 at 01:23 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Leaf Aptus 80 mp


seriously, how many of these will actually be sold?

where is the megapixel race going to end?

when do we have to come up with a new term besides megapixel, so we don't sound stupid comparing 345mp to 238mp? are we going to have a tera-pixel camera in the next 10 years?
Sep 20, 2010 at 10:13 PM
Graham Mitchell
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sirimiri wrote:
Graham, that part about 6x6 I get - but if this is billed as a Leaf solution, for Mamiya AF bodies with a 2:3 ratio and viewfinder that matches that, how is rotating the sensor going to do you any good? Won't it will clip badly, when looking through the VF?

Mamiya cameras don't have a 2:3 ratio!
Oct 28, 2010 at 10:41 AM
Graham Mitchell
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Leaf Aptus 80 mp


New sample images taken with the 80 megapixel Leaf Aptus II 12 digital back (taken by Igor Sakharov).

http://i54./34q8wn9.jpg

crop: http://i52./11haqg0.jpg

http://i52./21c5s3.jpg

crop: http://i56./2w7g8rr.jpg
Oct 28, 2010 at 10:45 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Leaf Aptus 80 mp


The rotating sensor is not a solution for the Mamiya/Phase camera, exactly for the reason you state. As Graham mentioned, it is meant for use on 6x6 cameras, like the Sinar Hy6/Leaf AFi.
Oct 28, 2010 at 11:10 AM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Leaf Aptus 80 mp


HOLY CR*P @ that detail!
Oct 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Leaf Aptus 80 mp


well that's the internet for ya: it's always a picture of a cat.
Oct 28, 2010 at 11:43 AM
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it uses a very fast scanning sensor. not suitable for long exposures if anything moves at all.

Herb...

Krosavcheg wrote:
Or there is always Seitz panoramic 6x17..
"160 Million Pixels of beauty"...
http://www.roundshot.ch/xml_1/internet/de/application/d438/d925/f934.cfm
Oct 28, 2010 at 02:59 PM
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Nowhere Man wrote:
where is the megapixel race going to end?

when do we have to come up with a new term besides megapixel, so we don't sound stupid comparing 345mp to 238mp?



Dang, never mind the megapickels. This thing has 12-stop dynamic range!

Kent in SD
Oct 28, 2010 at 03:09 PM
Graham Mitchell
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HerbChong wrote:
it uses a very fast scanning sensor. not suitable for long exposures if anything moves at all.

Herb...


You could say that about any camera

The Seitz is fine for most landscapes, even if there is some wind or crashing waves, as long as nothing moves too fast.
Oct 28, 2010 at 03:10 PM
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Nowhere Man wrote:
seriously, how many of these will actually be sold?

where is the megapixel race going to end?

when do we have to come up with a new term besides megapixel, so we don't sound stupid comparing 345mp to 238mp? are we going to have a tera-pixel camera in the next 10 years?




The megapixel race won't end... nor should it for every format. Medium format still has plenty of breathing room as far as pixels go. Even 35mm can get pushed further-- even with current technology.

That doesn't mean we all need 80mpix backs, but plenty of commercial photographers, art photographers, and landscape/arch. photographers, will be interested. It's a MUCH smaller market than the 35mm market, but that makes perfect sense.

I bet we'll see 150 mp medium format backs (perhaps at slightly larger medium format sizes) in the next couple iterations (~5 years).
Oct 28, 2010 at 04:24 PM
Graham Mitchell
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Leaf Aptus 80 mp


justruss wrote:
I bet we'll see 150 mp medium format backs (perhaps at slightly larger medium format sizes) in the next couple iterations (~5 years).

I hope not. Some of my layered Photoshop files are already approaching 1GB, and that's just with 22MP 16bit base files (and I'm using a modest amount of layers). A 6GB Photoshop file would be a nightmare to work with, and to store, and it's even too large for the .PSD file format!

Yes, you will always find some art repro or landscape photographers who want maximum resolution no matter what, but it becomes a smaller and smaller niche.
Oct 28, 2010 at 05:27 PM
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Graham Mitchell wrote:
I hope not. Some of my layered Photoshop files are already approaching 1GB, and that's just with 22MP 16bit base files (and I'm using a modest amount of layers). A 6GB Photoshop file would be a nightmare to work with, and to store, and it's even too large for the .PSD file format!

Yes, you will always find some art repro or landscape photographers who want maximum resolution no matter what, but it becomes a smaller and smaller niche.

Fret not, computer performance and digital camera resolution both seem to be following Moore's law to some degree.
Oct 28, 2010 at 06:44 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Leaf Aptus 80 mp


Chica's with whiskers = turn off for me :-)
Oct 28, 2010 at 08:42 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Leaf Aptus 80 mp


Graham Mitchell wrote:
I hope not. Some of my layered Photoshop files are already approaching 1GB, and that's just with 22MP 16bit base files (and I'm using a modest amount of layers). A 6GB Photoshop file would be a nightmare to work with, and to store, and it's even too large for the .PSD file format!

Yes, you will always find some art repro or landscape photographers who want maximum resolution no matter what, but it becomes a smaller and smaller niche.

But Graham, photographers have been shooting with 22mp digital backs (and I'm not talking about scanning backs) for OVER 7 years by now-- and 35mm is already at higher mp counts. So you're in some ways complaining about generations-old camera gear being too overpowered.

As Thrice mentioned, computer processing power and storage continue to increase at least as fast as camera technology.

And 1 GB files really aren't that big for stills. And let's not even get into what processing 1080P (or higher!) HD video requires-- and the video people continue to survive. In other words, shooting stills ain't nuthin, and 150 MP cameras will definitely arrive in the not too distant future (let's not forget that the scanning back people are ALREADY dealing with equivalent files).
Oct 29, 2010 at 07:51 AM
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