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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Nikkor AI-S 18mm f3.5. Good or not?


There has been so much talk about the Olympus 18mm. How does this Nikkor measures up?


Aug 16, 2010 at 01:16 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Nikkor AI-S 18mm f3.5. Good or not?


From Bjorn Rorslett, the putative authority on Nikon:

"On the FX: D3, extreme vignetting occurred when the f/3.5 aperture is used. Only the very centre of the frame is properly exposed. Never have seen anything remotely like this before and I'd say the result here is pretty much useless. However, the situation improves when the lens is stopped well down and at f/11, all of the frame except the extreme corners are free of vignetting and appear sharp. The close-ups looked better than the more distant shots. So, on a D3, this lens is for the people with specialised interests only. Not recommended for general use on the D3."

http://www.naturfotograf.com/index2.html



Aug 16, 2010 at 06:18 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Nikkor AI-S 18mm f3.5. Good or not?


I remember that test some people here quoted where the Nikkor was the sharpest lens among Tamron and Oly lenses. IMO the Nikkor is an underrated lens compared to the Oly, but then, all together it is not on level with the Leica 19 or Z 18 and probaly not as good as the newer UWA zooms. The Nikkor has good corner sharpness but it comes with a good amount of LCA and you are going to see a color cast towards the outer edges which is not much of a problem once you stop it down though.


Aug 17, 2010 at 01:44 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Nikkor AI-S 18mm f3.5. Good or not?


I tried a mint Nikon AI-S 18/3.5 at a local shop (selling for $400). The color, distortion, and corner performance were no match for an Oly 18/3.5. A good copy of the Oly might cost me twice as much, but I would pay the difference and get the Oly.


Aug 17, 2010 at 06:01 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Nikkor AI-S 18mm f3.5. Good or not?


wow, you tried it in a shop!


Aug 17, 2010 at 07:51 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Nikkor AI-S 18mm f3.5. Good or not?


I always like when they say "things improve by f/11" or something to that effect



Aug 17, 2010 at 08:01 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Nikkor AI-S 18mm f3.5. Good or not?


just saw one Nikkor 18 sold on eBay for less than $300. So at 1/3 the price of Oly, am wondering if it is half as good. OM 18 is just getting too hard to get and expensive. Is there an alternative to OM 18?


Aug 17, 2010 at 08:09 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Nikkor AI-S 18mm f3.5. Good or not?


Tamron 17.
If you really don't have money (I didn't at the time ) Vivitar 17/3.5 is OK too.



Aug 17, 2010 at 08:35 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Nikkor AI-S 18mm f3.5. Good or not?


I have tests of both the Nikon and the Oly from Modern Photography at http://www.edsawyer.com/lenstests/

The Oly is better than the results show (which is already great), very consistent across the frame at all apetures and little to no distortion. Downside is some vignetteing wide open (which I think actually looks ok), and of course price.



Aug 17, 2010 at 09:35 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Nikkor AI-S 18mm f3.5. Good or not?


How many wide angle lenses DON'T vignette wide open? Not many. Maybe only the latest tilt/shift. I used a Nikkor 18mm 3.5 for decade and loved it. It was small, sharp and had very little distortion for an 18mm. It's really not a bad lens at all. I shot it on Nikon film cameras and on Canon digitals up to the 1DsMKIII and only got rid of it when I got the Canon 17mm T/S, which is a better lens, but sure better be for eight times the price.


Aug 17, 2010 at 09:35 AM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Nikkor AI-S 18mm f3.5. Good or not?


Peter: How is the flare control of the earlier Nikkor lenses? Of course the modern ones are fantastic with the nano coating. What about the MC used on these AI-S. Are they any good with the flare, ghosting and hoshi?


alexandre: Are Vivitar lenses any good. I have been seeing a lot of them around for good prices. I am not considering Tamron as I am looking for a mini sized lens




Aug 17, 2010 at 11:01 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Nikkor AI-S 18mm f3.5. Good or not?


I agree with you Peter and found the lens performs well with the typical vignetting wide open of ultra wide angle lens on full frame DSLR's.I'm also sure you noticed on film,there was less vignetting then on full frame DSLR's.

However on crop sensor DSLR's like the 40D and the 50D the vignetting was nonexistent wide open...since those who have a full frame DSLR are considerably less then those with crop sensor cameras....please take note of these quick shots.

@f3.5
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w110/boomer1954/Whatever/100-1.jpg

@f5.6
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w110/boomer1954/Whatever/102.jpg

@f8
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w110/boomer1954/Whatever/103.jpg

@f11
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w110/boomer1954/Whatever/107-1.jpg



Aug 17, 2010 at 01:49 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Nikkor AI-S 18mm f3.5. Good or not?


here you go

http://adaptall-2.org/lenses/51B.html

BTW as you have the N17-35 I wonder why why why?



Aug 17, 2010 at 01:50 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Nikkor AI-S 18mm f3.5. Good or not?


A few quick hand held distance shots so focus may not be spot on....with and without a polarizer....note the affect of the polarizer improving the water as well as the far distance,but degrades the detail closer up...

*Please note...I was in a hurry and put a fresh battery in the camera,or so I thought...the bottom shot was taken earlier in the morning and the camera lost power...so I went home to change the battery and returned about an hour later...so there was less haze in the air on the top shot with the polarizer,and the sun was blowing out the detail somewhat especially in the near part of the image...if more shots were taken with minute focus changes,the close up and the distance detail can be improved upon somewhat with and without the polarizer...also mounting on a tripod and using live view in either AV or M mode,the focus and overall quality of the image could be improved as well.

I agree with Bjorn's assessment that this is more of a close up and near distance lens especially on DSLR's with out a polarizer...but for far distance waterscape and mountainous landscape images with a polarizer or neutral density filters on a DSLR,and with a polarizer or filters on film the distance images there can be an improvement in image quality.

With Polarizer @ f5.6 @ 1/250 Sec
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w110/boomer1954/Whatever/022.jpg


Without Polarizer @ f5.6 @ 1/800 sec
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w110/boomer1954/Whatever/003.jpg



Aug 17, 2010 at 01:53 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Nikkor AI-S 18mm f3.5. Good or not?


Andi: The N17-35 is a monster in size and weight. Something lighter and affordable would come in handy during the times when you wish to be light.

Depp: Thanks for showing the comparison of the lens with and without the CPL. I guess this AI-S is really not that stellar for landscape and the bokeh closed up is rather busy and not that pleasing.



Aug 18, 2010 at 01:49 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Nikkor AI-S 18mm f3.5. Good or not?


I'm sorry,the shots weren't for showing the bokeh...but rather lack of vignetting through the shown aperture range,which is pretty much non-existent on a crop sensor....beside using a wider aperture contradicts the need for depth of field that makes most landscape shots.

Where the Nikkor 18/3.5 & ultra-wides shine is for dynamic images from 2-3 meters up to about 35 meters for detail @ f8-f11 as Peter Figen showed in this thread -https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/749631

I wouldn't use it for far distance landscapes if detail is required,but for dynamic shots showing near to far,which is where wide angles have a niche.

Manual focus ultra-wides can also be used for dynamic video work...here the Nikkor 18/3.5 is used for a Vera Wang advertisement -http://www.selfmotif.com/cm/vera-wang---sheer-veil/

For landscapes a normal like a 50mm would be more suitable with a 35mm SLR or DSLR if detail is a requirement...or panoramic using stitching.

Also to the query about flare,the Nikkor is very resistant to flare even when pointed directly into the sun,as seen in the video above...I've also shot many ultra-wides from the Olympus 18/3.5 to the thrifty like the Tokina 18/3.5...the Nikkor is sharper then all of them,with much more contrast...the Zeiss ZE 18/3.5 I also had for a short time,the Nikkor is sharper in the center and the Zeiss is a touch sharper in the corners.I would recommend the Zeiss 21/2.8 for a sharper overall image quality,or better yet a tilt/shift lens like the TS-E Canon 17/4 Peter recommended earlier in this thread.

I know it's not a prime,but as far as sharpness,contrast and overall image quality,the Nikkor AF-S 14-24mm f/2.8G ED N is incomparable with a very high resolution at the 14mm end.It does have a few weaknesses though being susceptible to flare in contra light,and some vignetting wide open that is virtually gone by f4.But if your into wides,there is not wide that will beat this lens.

I've never been impressed with any ultra-wides or wides on SLR's or DSLR's at far distances for showing detail....with DSLR's I prefer 50-200mm primes for up to one nautical mile,or zooms like the Canon 24-105 or the 70-200 for more detail and at the long end perhaps compression....and lenses from 200-400mm for the same or distances greater then this,for landscape shots showing even more detail and/or compression...details of faraway objects are revealed in absolute clarity by the super-telephoto lenses...if detail in a panoramic shot is wanted,then stitching images with a longer focal length would be a preferable option.


Typically...Wide angle lenses allow you to create dynamic images....normal lenses allow you to create balanced images with more detail...telephoto lenses allow you to create images that reveal even more detail and/or compression.


Peter Figen-
"I use one quite often. It's a darned nice lens. Seems to be best around f/8-11, but is surprisingly good wide open too. Like almost all Nikon wide angles, it does not have a flat field. The plane of focus bends toward the camera at the edges. Enough to see if you're shooting a brick wall but also just enough to actually help on many types of images. There is some barrel distortion but it's not too bad. Here's a shot I did for the cover of Mix Magazine with the 18."
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/ufiles/10/317610.jpg



Aug 18, 2010 at 02:36 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Nikkor AI-S 18mm f3.5. Good or not?


A few from Nikon D750 + Nikon 18mm 3.5 AIS

https://g2.img-dpreview.com/66B1E7DD301D4866850796A3D51F4C7D.jpg
https://g3.img-dpreview.com/4D7EDF0F1F3A4DE3AA6C62AEC835A56F.jpg
https://g1.img-dpreview.com/A2B06F3D643B44EDBA915E6B548D86CF.jpg



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