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p.4 #1 · p.4 #1 · Nikkor lenses thread

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The above images aside (which I gather were sharpened via PP), the 85/1.4D is a bit soft wide open, except perhaps for the absolute center of the lens. As Photozone's testing showed on both FX and DX (but particularly FX), the lens is very soft outside the center at wide apertures. On FX, it's hideously soft. Of course, as a portrait lens, that's not really a problem.

The 85/1.4D has major issues with flare and purple fringing, which the nano coating of the G helps deal with to some extent. It doesn't track moving subjects well, and certainly not as well...Show more →

From another 85D user.....

Corners are only an issue when shooting planar objects...which none of your shots above are. Do the fun brick wall test, it gets VERY soft in the corners. Flare is definitely an issue (which the new 'G' version fixes) and purple fringing is quite nasty (which the new 'G' slightly improves). Color is on the very cool side and the glass is very low in contrast compared to the newer coated lenses. As far as center sharpness goes, I have never found it to be an issue. Actually, I think it is much sharper in center than the reputation it has garnered. Center sharpness is as good as the new 'G' version that just came out. It is the corners that is the issue. I also prefer the bokeh of the D version over the new G. It is some of the best I have seen from any lens

Jan 03, 2011 at 05:26 PM

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p.4 #2 · p.4 #2 · Nikkor lenses thread

Hmm, wow, I didn't see any purple fringing at all under normal exposures. My extreme fringing and flare tests showed it to be on the good side but probably not exceptional. You guys sure you're not talking about Canon's 85/1.2L? These descriptions sound like it fits that lens - which is also in my arsenal.

I don't feel any need to defend Nikon's lens design but I do like correct information and these descriptions don't seem to fit. On a M4/3 sensor it's one of the sharpest lenses I've used so far (out of about 230 in total, probably -20 for duplicates) across the entire half-ff-width. It was sharp enough to put a smile on my face. The only other lens that's done that consistently is the Canon FD 300mm F4.0L and this Nikkor is as sharp or sharper than that lens. With this Nikkor the OOF areas are soft - obviously - but the rest isn't.

I can't speak to the corners on digital but I just put the lens on one of my Nikon film bodies and spent 20min with it pointed at a res-chart. I know very well what good glass (or soft corners) looks like through my Nikons and this lens seems fairly exceptional as far as sharpness across the fame goes. I took it outside and pointed it at some far off distant buildings with tile surfaces and it also seems exceptionally sharp there too. The Sun is uber-bright today and there are no noticeable fringes looking through the FF either.

The images I shot with it on the M4/3 were sharpened ever so slightly but I needed much less than I do with just about any other lens. It had that Zeiss condition where sharpening actually ruins the image by doing nothing other than adding black or white halos around contrasting edges. All of these here and above were sharpened with a radius of 0.3 pixels and between 30% and 60% - tho most were on the low side of that.

"Corners are only an issue when shooting planar objects" - yes I noticed some focus field curvature on the FF just now - at some distances. Mostly close focusing. But this isn't a macro lens so I don't expect flat-field rendering and it wasn't too bad. About average for 50~65mm lenses - so a little much for an 85mm but still not too bad.

Here are the fringe tests (for the NiKkor 85/1.4D) that I run on every lens I handle:
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/Nik85_1.4D_Fringe_Tests/Fringe_Tests_1040466.JPG
f/1.4, 1/250s, IOS100

http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/Nik85_1.4D_Fringe_Tests/Fringe_Tests_1040467.JPG
f/1.4, 1/800s, IOS100

http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/Nik85_1.4D_Fringe_Tests/Fringe_Tests_1040468.JPG
f/1.4, 1/3200s, IOS100

Keep in mind that the sky at f1/4 meters at between 1/8,000s and 1/10,000s somewhere. EXIF: "Image Digitized: 2011:01:02, 13:41:38" which is the brightest time of this white-sky-day. None of those three images (shot RAW) have any sharpening at all and all ACR values except color noise were set to zero (0) - the images were saved directly from ACR without passing through any other apps.

Also I think that if this lens suffered from purple fringing it would show up in images like these:

Just to post more images...

Anyway, I've only shot with the lens for one day but there doesn't seem to any credibility to these "reports" based on just that. Maybe I'll encounter some conditions in the future where it will show it's ugly head? But let's hope not.

- Or, how doI get this thing to show it's true evil purple nature?

Jan 03, 2011 at 10:56 PM

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p.4 #3 · p.4 #3 · Nikkor lenses thread

I promise you, it's there, and I have a great deal of experience with it at this point, after shooting with it often in the year I've had the lens. It's essentially common knowledge/conventional wisdom at this point.

If you're shooting with an m4/3 sensor, you're chopping off a lot of the soft areas, so that helps a lot. Even the edge of your frame will resolve relatively well. Shoot it on a full frame Nikon sensor and you're likely to see what Ryan and I described.

Very image images, by the way

Jan 03, 2011 at 11:32 PM

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p.4 #4 · p.4 #4 · Nikkor lenses thread

Bifurcator wrote:
- Or, how doI get this thing to show it's true evil purple nature?

don't have anything to say about this lens in particular, but if you want to test for purple fringing, the sure way is to have a blown highlight border something near black. shoot some distant city lights at night, both in focus and oof.

Jan 03, 2011 at 11:51 PM

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p.4 #5 · p.4 #5 · Nikkor lenses thread

take a pic of a branch pointing up with the sky in the background...you are sure to have a purple shot

Jan 04, 2011 at 09:08 AM

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p.4 #6 · p.4 #6 · Nikkor lenses thread

rsolti13 wrote:
take a pic of a branch pointing up with the sky in the background...you are sure to have a purple shot

I did that. And supplied 3 links to the full untouched images of it. Here they are again:

Bifurcator wrote:
Here are the fringe tests (for the NiKkor 85/1.4D) that I run on every lens I handle:
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/Nik85_1.4D_Fringe_Tests/Fringe_Tests_1040467.jpg
f/1.4, 1/800s, IOS100

_http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/Nik85_1.4D_Fringe_Tests/Fringe_Tests_1040468.jpg
f/1.4]http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/Nik85_1.4D_Fringe_Tests/Fringe_Tests_1040466.jpg
f/1.4, 1/250s, IOS100

_http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/Nik85_1.4D_Fringe_Tests/Fringe_Tests_1040467.jpg
f/1.4, 1/800s, IOS100

_http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/Nik85_1.4D_Fringe_Tests/Fringe_Tests_1040468.jpg
f/1.4[/url], 1/3200s, IOS100

Keep in mind that the sky at f/1.4 meters at between 1/8,000s and 1/10,000s somewhere. EXIF: "Image Digitized: 2011:01:02, 13:41:38" which is the brightest time of this white-sky-day. None of those three images (shot RAW) have any sharpening at all and all ACR values except color noise were set to zero (0) - the images were saved directly from ACR without passing through any other apps.

Also I think that if this lens suffered from purple fringing...Show more →

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Jan 04, 2011 at 12:15 PM

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p.4 #7 · p.4 #7 · Nikkor lenses thread

Well, I think all Ryan and I can tell you is that we both have ample experience with purple fringing. I know I do, at least, and I doubt his copy is all that different from mine.

Jan 04, 2011 at 12:16 PM

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p.4 #8 · p.4 #8 · Nikkor lenses thread

Just to be perfectly clear we're talking about this lens right?

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/AFNikkor/AF85mm/AF-Nikkor85mmf14D_US.jpg
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/AFNikkor/AF85mm/index2.htm

Jan 04, 2011 at 12:24 PM

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p.4 #9 · p.4 #9 · Nikkor lenses thread

Yes, and ironically enough, the glass itself has purple fringing on it

. Not that that could have come from an 85/1.4 (would never be used for a product shot like you see above), but just a small irony.

The next time I get a photo taken with it that has clear purple fringing, I'll post it here

Jan 04, 2011 at 12:27 PM

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p.4 #10 · p.4 #10 · Nikkor lenses thread

Bif, it is an excellent lens....one that I think people are writing off as crap now the new one has come out. I had the new one for a month or so and didn't come blown away by it. I am back with the old D, which I actually prefer over the new G for portraits.

let me supply a pic with the 'lack of sharpness' compared to the new

http://www.soltiphotography.com/Portraits/NicolePorter/RS02122/1055601471_7UpA7-XL.jpg

Sorry, I don't have any bad purple fringe shots to show. I delete them or avoid them as much as possible. Here is one that I kept shot at f/2.2 I believe so it isn't as bad as can be. Once you learn the lens you know which situations to/not to shoot in

http://www.soltiphotography.com/Children/Misc-Morgan-Fun/RTS3688/815902179_UA2jz-XL.jpg

flare is kinda out of control...though you can use it to your advantage

http://www.soltiphotography.com/Portraits/Tybee-Island/RTS0958/863307641_bAHHE-XL.jpg

http://www.soltiphotography.com/Portraits/Tybee-Island/RTS1005/863309457_J24qf-XL.jpg

http://www.soltiphotography.com/Portraits/Tybee-Island/RTS1387/863320782_eeqKw-XL.jpg

Jan 04, 2011 at 12:42 PM

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p.4 #11 · p.4 #11 · Nikkor lenses thread

rsolti13 wrote:
Bif, it is an excellent lens....one that I think people are writing off as crap now the new one has come out. I had the new one for a month or so and didn't come blown away by it. I am back with the old D, which I actually prefer over the new G for portraits.

Yeah, that sounds more like it. Marketing, heh! I like actualities much better.

MTF_85f14D:
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/AFNikkor/AF85mm/MTF_85f14D.gif

I mean. because of marketing people are even seeing "purple fringe" when it's actually colorization from the lens coating.

Beautiful images BTW... Very nice!

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p.4 #12 · p.4 #12 · Nikkor lenses thread

Marketing? I didn't make that comment because of marketing.

I've made my comments from experience, thank you very much. Whether I called something the right name is somewhat irrelevant: it's still purple.

At any rate, I'm rather familiar with the lens, and I'm glad you're getting good mileage from it. Just remember that you're chopping off much of the imaging circle and are left with the best part of it. We're using all of it on FX.

Jan 04, 2011 at 01:08 PM

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p.4 #13 · p.4 #13 · Nikkor lenses thread

luminosity wrote:
Marketing? I didn't make that comment because of marketing.

I've made my comments from experience, thank you very much. Whether I called something the right name is somewhat irrelevant: it's still purple.

No it's not! It's l-a-v-e-n-d-e-r.

j/k.

At any rate, I'm rather familiar with the lens, and I'm glad you're getting good mileage from it. Just remember that you're chopping off much of the imaging circle and are left with the best part of it. We're using all of it on FX.

Yeah, you full-framers you... :P

Again though, to be clear, you're not talking about this lens right?

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/AFNikkor/AF85mm/AFNikkor85mmf14UKa.jpg

Jan 04, 2011 at 01:16 PM

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p.4 #14 · p.4 #14 · Nikkor lenses thread

we are all on the same page. Both myself and Josh have the 85 1.4D...not the 1.8 or AI-S. The 85 1.8 is even more of a purple monster than the 85 1.4

Another note...why did you choose to use the Nikon 85 1.4D on m4/3 instead of the Rokinon? You have to use the lens in manual focus, right? If so, the Rokinon is surprisingly better than the Nikon 85 1.4D in almost every way

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p.4 #15 · p.4 #15 · Nikkor lenses thread

I've owned and shot the 85/1.8, so I can speak from experience on that as well.

But, as Ryan said, we are all talking about the 85/1.4D. It seems kind of obvious that your mileage is going to be different from ours because the sensor you're working with is much smaller than an FX 35mm sensor.

Jan 04, 2011 at 01:50 PM

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rsolti13 wrote:
we are all on the same page. Both myself and Josh have the 85 1.4D...not the 1.8 or AI-S. The 85 1.8 is even more of a purple monster than the 85 1.4

Another note...why did you choose to use the Nikon 85 1.4D on m4/3 instead of the Rokinon? You have to use the lens in manual focus, right? If so, the Rokinon is surprisingly better than the Nikon 85 1.4D in almost every way

No reason. I buy lenses in bulk (kinda) based on my cost vrs. typical resale price. The more interesting and non-duplicate ones I play with for a month or so before selling them on. So this one just happened to come along. I don't think I've ever seen the Rokinon. How is it better? And don't say purple... you guys are imagining things!

hehe <runs and hides behind a fire-proof wall!>

Jan 04, 2011 at 01:58 PM

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p.4 #17 · p.4 #17 · Nikkor lenses thread

Bif, the Rokinon is sharper across the frame, has nicer bokeh in my opinion, controls flare much better.....and......handles CA much better

. I have had both, like the Rokinon better IF I could focus 1.4 manually accurately on moving kids. Though the AF in the Nikon isn't much better. That is where the new G does a far better job.

Jan 04, 2011 at 08:21 PM

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p.4 #18 · p.4 #18 · Nikkor lenses thread

Wow! Lovely rendering from that lens and beautiful photos in general!

Jan 04, 2011 at 09:14 PM

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p.4 #19 · p.4 #19 · Nikkor lenses thread

rsolti13 wrote:
Bif, the Rokinon is sharper across the frame, has nicer bokeh in my opinion, controls flare much better.....and......handles CA much better

. I have had both, like the Rokinon better IF I could focus 1.4 manually accurately on moving kids. Though the AF in the Nikon isn't much better. That is where the new G does a far better job.

Thanks for that rsolti13! ...and all without saying the "P" word!

Sounds like a lens I'd like to put on the keepers shelf. I'm going to keep an eye out for a deal on one. What's the full name of it, Rokinon 85/1.4 or are there versions to look for?

Jan 05, 2011 at 07:32 AM

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Bifurcator wrote:
Thanks for that rsolti13! ...and all without saying the "P" word!

Sounds like a lens I'd like to put on the keepers shelf. I'm going to keep an eye out for a deal on one. What's the full name of it, Rokinon 85/1.4 or are there versions to look for?

Samyang/Bower/Rokinon...I think there are other names out there. They are dirt cheap....about $250 or so. Definitely worth a shot for someone that likes to try different glass

Here is a thread showing off the lens

Jan 05, 2011 at 08:03 AM

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