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Archive 2009 · Canon 10D & the 18-55 IS

RodAnderson
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Canon 10D & the 18-55 IS


Does anyone know if the Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS will work on the 10D or if it needs the mount shaved like the non IS version? I'm trying to get my 17-40 back from my wife . Thanks!

Rod Anderson



Dec 08, 2009 at 07:46 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Canon 10D & the 18-55 IS


The Canon 10D is not met for EF-S lenses. I do not know why some people can't accept that fact.


Dec 08, 2009 at 08:24 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Canon 10D & the 18-55 IS


No. You will need a modified version. You are more likely to find an 18-55 non-IS which was modified frequently when the 10D was in its prime.


Dec 08, 2009 at 08:34 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Canon 10D & the 18-55 IS


Thanks for the replies so for far. I probably should have been more clear up front. I have no problem modding the lens. I just was wondering if they changed the lens mount from the original version to the IS version. Thanks!

Rod



Dec 08, 2009 at 09:08 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Canon 10D & the 18-55 IS


RodAnderson wrote:
Thanks for the replies so for far. I probably should have been more clear up front. I have no problem modding the lens. I just was wondering if they changed the lens mount from the original version to the IS version. Thanks!

Rod


Near as I can tell, the EF-S mount is uniform, much like how the EF mount is uniform.



Dec 08, 2009 at 09:11 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Canon 10D & the 18-55 IS


I think this came up before and it was found that the IS mech or sensor is too close to the the plastic ring you have to flip off to be a viable mod.


Dec 08, 2009 at 12:26 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Canon 10D & the 18-55 IS


Some 1.6 crop lenses that do work on the 10D due to EF mount on the lens....

Tokina 12-24 F4

Tokina 11-16 F2.8

Sigma 30mm F1.4



Dec 08, 2009 at 01:13 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Canon 10D & the 18-55 IS


Thanks very much for the help. I think I'll have to find a non IS version.

Rod



Dec 08, 2009 at 02:44 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Canon 10D & the 18-55 IS


abqnmusa wrote:
Some 1.6 crop lenses that do work on the 10D due to EF mount on the lens....

Tokina 12-24 F4

Tokina 11-16 F2.8

Sigma 30mm F1.4


I think most of the non-Canon crop lenses will on non-crop bodies because they don't have the protruding rear element like the Canon EF-S lenses do.

For instance, my Tokina 10-17 Fisheye works on my 5D just fine.



Dec 08, 2009 at 03:21 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Canon 10D & the 18-55 IS


It is stupid easy to modify the mount. A hacksaw does just fine


Dec 08, 2009 at 04:33 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Canon 10D & the 18-55 IS


abqnmusa wrote:
Some 1.6 crop lenses that do work on the 10D due to EF mount on the lens....

Tokina 12-24 F4

Tokina 11-16 F2.8

Sigma 30mm F1.4


Well just about any 3rd party crop lens will fit as they are EF mount not EFS. Yes most only project a smaller circle and then only at the wider settings for some but they wont foul the mirror.
EFs on the other hand protrudes further into the throat of the camera body so will foul the mirror. You can get around this by taking the protective ring off the back of the lens but be warned that that is not the only bit that sticks back. The rear lens itself can come back as far as the plastic ring when the lens is zoomed all the way out. Also as I said earlier I think that the IS gubbins on the 18-55 IS (and maybe the 55-250 IS ) is just under the plastic ring so removing that is probably not a good idea.



Dec 08, 2009 at 05:57 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Canon 10D & the 18-55 IS


Rod, why not give your wife your 1D? You don't have to ask the 17-40 back and you have a good reason to buy a new combo for yourself Now that would be EOSfun !


Dec 08, 2009 at 06:07 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Canon 10D & the 18-55 IS


Just wanted to update this thread and possibly save anyone the trouble of attempting this modification. I purchased this lens off the buy 'n sell board here and found out that the IS version has a hollow mount to accommodate the IS cable and old version has a solid mount. Ian.Dobinson had brought this up but I just had to find out for myself .
Thanks to everyone for their input & Happy Holidays.

Rod Anderson



Dec 17, 2009 at 10:23 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Canon 10D & the 18-55 IS


Well I wanted to give this a try, and Google brought up this thread, fairly discouraging news unfortunately. I had already bought the lens thinking it would be the same as the non-IS version, wrong! Being a glutton for punishment, I decided to go for it anyway. To summarize, yes you can do this. It requires a little patience, and a few hours time.

To remove the mount, you should start by removing the two tiny fasteners that hold the contacts to the mount. Next remove the four main fasteners for the mount but don't remove it just yet. Carefully raise the mount away from the lens, making sure you don't damage the flex circuit. Gently grab it and pull up, there is no retaining mechanism. It should then look like the image below, the two arrows indicating the connector on the PCB at the top, and the flex circuit connector at the bottom.



I need to add that I'm not sure this next step is totally necessary. The main purpose of this is to keep the dust prevention bits intact. Anyway, fill the bottom cavity with a two-part epoxy that fully cures, no soft stuff. Odds are any five minute epoxy at your hardware store is fine, that's all I used. I believe the two little components you see in the top image at five and seven o'clock are accelerometers, the devices that sense movement. I don't know if they're completely sealed, but even if they aren't, the epoxy was too thick to make it inside. Do not overfill the cavity with epoxy, the image you see at the bottom is very close to being over filled. Looking at the bottom image, find the hole for the mount fastener at about six o'clock, if you look just about 1/8" above it, and a little to the right, you can see a half circle impression in the mount. There are three of those, and the PCB inside the lens touches those spots for support, so don't fill it that high.



Next I sanded the mount. I can't say how far, but you should be able to get an idea from the images below. In the bottom photo you can see the two accelerometers showing through, and the little pocket I had to make for the flex circuit connector, more on that below.





Next lay the mount over the lens exactly where it will be installed, and mark on the mount where the connector is. Using whatever method you like, make a little pocket for the connector, and just keep test fitting until the mount will rest all the way down. You will probably need to guide the flex circuit so that it wants to lay away from the center of the lens. Just make sure the pocket is deep enough, and you're not smashing on the connector. I used a soldering iron to melt a little pocket, worked great.



Viola, it works, this shot taken at 18mm with the Canon 18-55 IS. There is absolutely no interference, and the IS works with no issues.



Apr 01, 2010 at 07:49 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Canon 10D & the 18-55 IS


I have corndog's 18-55IS and the first thing I did was to take shots at 18mm on a 1D Mark III. Yes, I'm insane, and it hit the mirror, giving me an Err 20. For all you lens hackers out there, the mirror is a lot more durable than you think and was completely unharmed -- however, the glass coating got smudged (which was later removed with q tips and alcohol - no permanent damage).

However, it does work at 19mm or so (the lens focal length encoder seems to not have a 19mm setting - it'll display 18 or 20) - the mirror barely hits the lens at 18mm. And while the corners aren't soft, they aren't exactly pretty either - they have extreme distortion.

See Link to POTN for picture - I don't have image upload here.



May 14, 2010 at 07:28 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Canon 10D & the 18-55 IS


Alright, since we're name dropping and posting threads titled " EF conversion FAIL! ", I can't help but feel like I'm being called out a little bit.

Here's the ad where the lens was sold: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/897509/

If it hits at 18, and misses at 19, I think the lens can still work, just needs a little more sanding. I took a random guess at how far to sand, and that worked great on the 10D. I offered a refund, or to sand the lens further. I think I'd still be in the right to tell him to pound sand, but I'd rather the guy were happy, I'm just glad his 1D3 wasn't damaged! All of our communication has been cordial, but I find that POTN thread a pinch on the obnoxious side.



May 14, 2010 at 08:05 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Canon 10D & the 18-55 IS


I've edited the POTN thread title to reflect recent developments - I previously attempted, and failed, to convert a 18-55 IS to the EF mount.

I didn't mean it as calling you out - this was totally my choice to risk the 1D3.

It's hitting the lens element, there's nothing that can be done to sand down the mount to prevent the lens element from hitting the mirror.

And, I'm keeping this one-of-a-kind lens



May 14, 2010 at 09:38 PM





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