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Yeah- I primarily do travel; the older I get the more I'm moving into the Bob Krist school of using the lighter, cheaper bodies- I believe he uses D90s. The 17-55 and the D200 is quite the brick. I did play with the D5000 in store and it is unbelievably small and light. I didn't think to compare the viewfinder directly to a D300, but the D5000 seemed usable, which is what piqued my interest given the lightness. I'm getting tired of tip-toeing under ISO 800 with the D200- the consensus seems to be that at least ISO 1600 on the D5000 looks similar to 800 on the D200, which would be nice.

What do you gain by going to the D90- flash commander?

Ideally I'd love to go to a smaller full frame for the high ISO, 2+ extra stops of ISO would be amazing, but the D700 would be a real brick with a 2.8 zoom. This, however, might be a good time to sell the APS stuff, though that would leave me without a backup body.



Nov 17, 2009 at 10:06 AM
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p.2 #2 · D5000 to replace D200


Osprey01 wrote:
What do you gain by going to the D90- flash commander?




D90 has a lot of extra features that are nice, bigger 3" 920K LCD, AF motor for older screw drive lenses (this one really isn't an issue since there is so much AF-S stuff these days, and I doubt you'd want something like a 85mm f1.4 AF-D for travel anyways)

It also has the top LCD display, front and back dials (thats really handy if your used to a higher end camera) and I believe the frame rate is slightly faster.

It can work as a CLS commander as well, though personally I find a SU-800 works far better than the pop up flash, much nicer range, and quicker to dial in ratio's for multi flash work. Still is handy to have the pop up ability if you need it though, no doubt about that.

D90 is probably the best bang for the buck in the Nikon market right now overall. It wouldn't be my first choice for something like a wedding, but it would in fact work. D5000 would annoy me all day for that type of serious shooting, especially as I'm used to a D3.

Its really horses for courses though, because if your not going to be shooting weddings, PJ work etc, then its a moot point how well it may or may not work for those things.

If you want to travel light, mainly shoot landscapes, and use a tripod, the D5000 is one of the best bets out there. You can hike with it for miles and not get tired, and the flip out LCD is so handy in the field to compose your shots. Great images as well.

Its not perfect though and doesn't do everything well, but for a certain set of needs, and it sounds like ours are similar, its a fantastic option



Nov 17, 2009 at 10:18 AM
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Osprey01 wrote:
Yeah- I primarily do travel; the older I get the more I'm moving into the Bob Krist school of using the lighter, cheaper bodies- I believe he uses D90s. The 17-55 and the D200 is quite the brick.

What do you gain by going to the D90- flash commander?

This, however, might be a good time to sell the APS stuff, though that would leave me without a backup body.




I'm at a similar point in life. I used to haul around a 4x5 + lenses on family vacations, if you can believe that. Then, F5, D300, heavy lenses. I found I just didn't enjoy it as much. It sort of takes all the fun out of hiking up a 13,000 ft. volcanoe when you're carrying a bag full of "rocks", . I think we sometimes go WAY overboard on the image quality deal. I mean honestly, shots from even a D40 are at least as good as what we used to rave about just a few years ago with slide film. Are we really going to make 30x40 prints from many (if any) of our travel/vacation shots? I never have. One other thing I'll mention is that strangers seem less threatened by a small size camera and lens than they do a big D300/700 with pro lens. Many times I've been confronted with "Hey! That looks like a professional camera. What are you taking my picture for?" Less conspicuous cameras have an advantage. The original street camera was a Leica. The fold out screen allows you take photos without even raising the camera to your eye, like the old waist level cameras! A true advantage in some crowds.

This year was the breaking point for me. We took a trip to Disney/Orlando, and I just really didn't want to lug around heavy stuff there. I would worry about damaging it, getting it stolen, and it's bulky! At some point camera gear becomes a fun-killer. I left all the pro stuff at home and just took my old D80, lenses 18-55mm VR + 55-200mm VR, and three SB flash. (I do a lot of night shots.) Really, it did 95% of what I wanted and was easy to carry in a small waist pack. (I only brought the flash with me on a few nights.) I've come to think that if you are able to plan shots well and previsualize, you're going to get some great images no matter what gear you use. If I did more travel I would get the D5000 because it has a terrific sensor in a small body. You do give up CLS flash, but I use CyberSync triggers anyway. Also no AF motor, but the lens choices for AFS and now also third party lenses are really coming on strong. I don't like the old manual lenses on digital anyway--CA. About the only time to NOT sell photo gear is from mid January to mid March. That's when prices go lower.

All photo gear is a compromise. Sometimes the correct compromise is in favor of compactness and convenience. It's up to us to select the correct tool/system to fit the task.


Kent in SD

D80, Nikon 55-200mm VR
Taken on bouncing "Safari"
ride at Disney. 1/3500 sec.
I had fun!

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Nov 17, 2009 at 11:22 AM
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Osprey01 wrote:
Yeah- I primarily do travel; the older I get the more I'm moving into the Bob Krist school of using the lighter, cheaper bodies- I believe he uses D90s. The 17-55 and the D200 is quite the brick. I did play with the D5000 in store and it is unbelievably small and light. I didn't think to compare the viewfinder directly to a D300, but the D5000 seemed usable, which is what piqued my interest given the lightness. I'm getting tired of tip-toeing under ISO 800 with the D200- the consensus seems to be that at least ISO 1600 on
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Though the D700 with a few primes is the perfect travel kit. I use a 28mm 1.8 Sigma or the Nikkor 28mm 3.5 MF, a 50mm 1.8 AF-D, and a 105mm 2.5 MF Nikkor. Smallest travel kit I've ever had, best IQ too.

D90 is also a good option. I'd say regardless of what you buy, make sure you've got an AF motor in the body.



Nov 17, 2009 at 12:11 PM
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phatnev wrote:
Though the D700 with a few primes is the perfect travel kit. I use a 28mm 1.8 Sigma or the Nikkor 28mm 3.5 MF, a 50mm 1.8 AF-D, and a 105mm 2.5 MF Nikkor. Smallest travel kit I've ever had, best IQ too.

D90 is also a good option. I'd say regardless of what you buy, make sure you've got an AF motor in the body.



What if you want something wider though ? The "average" travel/tourist usually seems to prefer wide angle to capture beautiful beaches, Times Square, etc etc

What AF-D lenses are the must have travel glass that you need an AF motor for ? Tokina 11-16mm is about the only one I can think of where the lack of AF-S is an issue

I've got nothing against primes personally, and love my 85 f1.4, 105 f2.5 ai-s, 50mm etc, but I find them sort of a pain traveling. Who wants to be walking around with the family and trying to switch lens all the times ?

Your kids are doing something cute, or standing by some landmark, other people are waiting to take a photo, and you've got to switch lenses. Its sort of a pain when your out trying to enjoy yourself same with trying to mess with MF lens. When I'm in a crowd, I like to be able to just snap away and not try to critically focus.

Something like a 18-200 is so popular with so many users for the travel roll because it does let you take just one lens. No messing around changing lenses on a sandy beach, or not having the focal length you need. Just one lens that does it all so to speak.

Add in a 10-20 Sigma or something along those lines for wide angle depending on where your going and your set.


I just see a D700 and a bunch of primes as just apples and oranges compared to a D5000 and a couple of zooms. Totally different shooting styles for totally different photographers.



Nov 17, 2009 at 12:48 PM
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millsart wrote:
What if you want something wider though ? The "average" travel/tourist usually seems to prefer wide angle to capture beautiful beaches, Times Square, etc etc

What AF-D lenses are the must have travel glass that you need an AF motor for ? Tokina 11-16mm is about the only one I can think of where the lack of AF-S is an issue

I've got nothing against primes personally, and love my 85 f1.4, 105 f2.5 ai-s, 50mm etc, but I find them sort of a pain traveling. Who wants to be walking around with the family and trying to switch lens all the
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Different strokes for different folks. I can't stand shooting with 2.8 zooms, they're entirely too slow for a lot of my shooting, I shoot probably 95% of my stuff with a 28/50 1.8 and I'm indoors a lot, even when abroad. They're also REALLY expensive, and huge/heavy. As for wide, there are plenty of options, even more when you go FX. I'd probably opt for the C/V 20mm 3.5, smallest 20mm available for Nikon I think, if I didn't mind a bigger lens the Sigma 20mm 1.8 is great too.

As for switching lenses, I hardly ever do so, probably 4 or 5 lens switches a day, be it shooting weddings or a day in NYC/London/Wherever.

Something like an 18-200 is popular because people are lazy, it does it all, but it doesn't do anything well. I'll take my $500 worth of primes over a $600+ consumer zoom. I don't have kids though(thank god, I'm 21 haha), and I wouldn't take photos of them standing in front of any landmarks, so our aims may be completely different, in all honesty I feel like people that want those type of photos should just buy a Canon G10/11. I have a Lumix LX3 for situations where absolute quality isn't necessary and size/weight is a concern.

The 17-55 is a huge lens, so putting it on any body is going to be a big rig. I just did a quick little math problem after looking up weights on B&H, and the D5000 and 17-55 weigh in around at 1350 grams. And the D700 and 50mm 1.8 weighs in at about 1152 grams. That's not including other lenses(you'd probably have 2 or 3 in a backpack but its not like the backpack would be photo devoted, you'd probably have one anyways) but I'm just sayin. Food for thought.



Nov 17, 2009 at 02:28 PM
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Yes- and the D700+24-70 is 1850 gms while the D5000 + 35mm 1.8 is 760 gms. The D200 weighs 830gms.


Nov 18, 2009 at 09:48 PM
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Hence: D700 + Prime = Optimal quality with minimal weight


Nov 19, 2009 at 01:23 AM
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