Great points!
However, I would not deny purchase of a new camera that can deliver much better detail and quality with existing lenses, even if the lenses included such 'non pro' lenses as the 70-300vr.
For many, taking pics entails the best lenses money can buy, for others, they can do with what they have or even with 'consumer grade' lenses. Also, making pics does not require quad processing power and every bit of software available, tho they are to be desired.
So, there are sliding priorities based on preferences, need, or other factors.
There is no way that I'd upgrade from a D700 to a D700s for a slightly tweaked sensor and a movie mode. The D3 and D3s share the same sensor except for a slightly tweaked microlens structure, from what I understand. It certainly isn't a reengineered chunk of silicone. As for movie mode, it might be fun but is not the reason I purchased a D700.
If they release a D700 with a 25 mp sensor at a price under $4000 or so, I'll buy it, dumping my backup D300. The thing is, if Nikon adds $3000 to the price of a D700 like they did to the D3 to get the D3x, I won't be able to afford it. On the other hand, if they make it more reasonable, how do they justify the $3000 for the D3x over a D3. I love Nikons but their marketing stinks sometimes.
As for dual cards, really now, who cares? As for the ISO of the D3s, again, who'd use it? I know with my D700, I don't stop up past 6400 and rarely go even there. I want to take nice photos. I don't care to take noisy messes just to say I did it at some crazy ISO. I mean, isn't that why we love photography? We want to take the best photographs that our skill allows. These tools we use are supposed to make it easier. Sticking a couple of silly extra features and putting an "S" by the name certainly does not compel me to think they will contribute to me taking better images.
Guidenet wrote:
As for dual cards, really now, who cares? As for the ISO of the D3s, again, who'd use it?
Professionals who get paid for their images, on both accounts. I've been bitten by a faulty CF card and never again wish to endure that. Wedding photographers, photojournalist, event shooters, and street shooters the world over can use more ISO and redundancy. It's not a matter of if your media fails, but when.
DavidWEGS wrote:
I want a D700s with dual cards and the iso of the D3s. Bring it.
+1
Nikon please do not ignore that man Not all of want to carry a full sized body, not all of us want more than 12mp for shoots with 2k images, not all of us want to deal with storing 24mp NEF files.
why is that such a setback? Sure, some cost may be involved, maybe not, many people already have plenty of drive space and computing power. I saw an HP quad core 2.6 with 8 gigs of ram, giant video, and giant hard drive for $750, and for $499 with 6 gigs of ram. Also, I saw a terabyte WD Book external for $79 at Best Buy.
For the cost of a consumer grade lens one can get what once was considered a super computer. Oh yes, and that includes a large LCD HD monitor.
it sure is, it is not a Mac with the aluminum cover and high price tag, and mouse that lacks any sense of ergonomics, but hey, it is a PC and a lot cheaper. Thus far the couple of HP PC's we have at the house have not faltered. The best PC of all time has been an old $399 E-Machine that has an ASUS motherboard. It has lasted so long - 4 years - that gees, it is almost like a Mac, and is still working.
I am not concerned about buying a powerhouse PC for well under $1k.
i got my D700 and i will not move anywhere at this point.
next upgrade will be when D4 comes out or something of that like.
at this point everything else is just a waist of time.... better get out there and shoot.
p.s.
maybe will just buy leica M9 and will be over with it all
jamach wrote:
why is that such a setback? Sure, some cost may be involved, maybe not, many people already have plenty of drive space and computing power. I saw an HP quad core 2.6 with 8 gigs of ram, giant video, and giant hard drive for $750, and for $499 with 6 gigs of ram. Also, I saw a terabyte WD Book external for $79 at Best Buy.
For the cost of a consumer grade lens one can get what once was considered a super computer. Oh yes, and that includes a large LCD HD monitor.
read the part about backup storage, and realize that they were using a D2x,1dsmk2,1dmk3and 5d, so the mp's are still pretty low. If you shot that much with a 24-5 mp camera it would get ridiculous quick
The whole article how ever is a good read, I especially like how he keeps talking about the shots he missed that he couldn't get that the guy in his group with the D2x and 200-400vr got. http://luminous-landscape.com/essays/Safari-Tips.shtml
Probably before your time, but I do remember the days when those speed boys would have a camera bag full of 24 count film because the plastic on 36's was thinner, so they carried a bag full, and were real proud they could rapid fire away a roll in a couple of seconds. So there I was with my pentax 6x7 rapid firing away manually by hand the 12 shots, then reloading again before it was all over. Yes, the emulsion or something was supposed to be thinner in the 220 film so I did not use it.
Looks like each age has their own concerns, but similar issues. Oh yes. slide film please, so I can do Cibachromes later and not worry about storage of film strips, cutting, and labeling envelopes, and internegatives to print. The slides also made pretty scans. And hopefully the file cabinet would not catch on fire should the office go up in flames, because there were only a few backups - slides that were duped.
Well, that is just what it would take. Kinda like driving a gas hog, it will use gas. One can feel better looking at the fantastic res of the bigger image and detail, I suppose
Can you use the lower res modes of the camera, such as in a 24 mpixel Sony one can get 11mpixel in crop mode, I think
And save the high res mode at 24mpixel for special shots or for those you need it for?
Not all of want to carry a full sized body, not all of us want more than 12mp for shoots with 2k images, not all of us want to deal with storing 24mp NEF files.