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Archive 2009 · Canon 24mm TS-E II vs 21mm Distagon

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Canon 24mm TS-E II vs 21mm Distagon

What do you guys/gals think? I need a wide angle lens to use on my 5d and potentially other Canon cameras down the road. I would be shooting mainly landscapes but I like the idea of the shift feature. Has anyone compared these in terms of sharpness, color and CA?

Aug 13, 2009 at 11:10 AM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Canon 24mm TS-E II vs 21mm Distagon

Not yet, but I can say that you will be very happy with the 24mm mk1 on a 5D and using the CA slider in RAW software, especially if you are just iusing it as a landscape lens and not screwing it to the shifted limits all the time. You could find a second hand mk1 and save yourself a load of money. I use the mk1 on my 1DsIII and at 21mp in the landsape I am still fairly happy with it. Unshifted is a stunning, supersharp lens, even when tilted, its only when its shifted that things get wobbly.

Aug 13, 2009 at 11:43 AM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Canon 24mm TS-E II vs 21mm Distagon

I tried none of them but I can say is that the TS feature is super cool.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

Aug 14, 2009 at 05:43 AM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Canon 24mm TS-E II vs 21mm Distagon

I've used the 24tse for years and it does great work but the CA is a problem even unshifted. In landscapes where there are tree branches up against a bright sky it can get very ugly with much CA that a slider in raw won't help much at all. I have to do this repair manually. If you can swing it financially the 24 tse II would be the better of the two your considering for landscape work.

Peter

Architectural Photography by Peter Montanti, www.mountainphotographics.com

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Aug 14, 2009 at 05:55 AM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Canon 24mm TS-E II vs 21mm Distagon

Much as I like the Distagon 21, the new 24mm TSE II would leave you with more time sipping an espresso, for sure.

I don't like the 24mm TSE (old one) as I am against having to work with tools (lenses) with inherent limitations (like CA) so I try to find lenses that work for me instead of lenses that I need to work with, to make them work.

I am going to stroll over to my Gaggia TS now and let it work me some black magic.

Aug 14, 2009 at 06:00 AM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Canon 24mm TS-E II vs 21mm Distagon

What some guys are finding is that the new 17 TS-E matched with the 1.4 TC will give you pretty much the same IQ as the original 24 TS-E mk I lens. The combo is the same as a 23.8mm lens. Basically the 17 TS-E is that good...

Aug 14, 2009 at 10:26 AM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Canon 24mm TS-E II vs 21mm Distagon

I have the 17 TS-E and have taken some comparison shots with my 14-24G and 16-35 mk1 and posted some of them here:
http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9136
The 17 TS-E had no CA and was almost as sharp as the 14-24G at 17 in the center and only a little less sharp in the corners and borders unshifted. It is not bad shifted either.My only negative with this lens is that it flares easily since it is so wide and without a lens hood.
I am sure that the new 24 is even sharper than the 17, it is just whether you think 24 is wide enough for most of your landscape shooting needs.
I think Burningheart here has both new TS-E lenses so he would be a good one to consult.
I have taken only a few shots with the TS-E 17 and a 1.4 extender and I wasn't happy with the loss of sharpness I was seeing but I would like to take some more shots to confirm that.
I think Canon did their homework on these and really did a good job on both of them.
The ability to shift and tilt in all directions easily is very nice.
Just have to be careful of the huge exposed bulbous front element which I heard is $450 to replace.
This lens is easily a must have for architecture shooting and I look forward to also using this lens for landscape as it gives your more creative options with the shift and tilt.
My first T/S lens and it is a dousey(sp?).

Aug 14, 2009 at 10:53 AM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Canon 24mm TS-E II vs 21mm Distagon

wayne seltzer wrote:
It is not bad shifted either [...] it flares easily since it is so wide and without a lens hood.

I expected better results from a 2.5K lens.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

Aug 15, 2009 at 05:41 AM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Canon 24mm TS-E II vs 21mm Distagon

You should have a look here. He's posted some samples of shooting the TSE17 with the sun in the frame or just outside the frame. I think the result is pretty amazing.

http://www.ronscheffler.com/blog/?p=164

Review for the TSE24.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-TS-E-24mm-f-3.5-L-II-Tilt-Shift-Lens-Review.aspx

Aug 15, 2009 at 07:12 AM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Canon 24mm TS-E II vs 21mm Distagon

No. It's not bad but honestly, I expected better results.

1. It's a 2.5K lens.
2. It has an enormous protruding front element.
3. It has no lens hood.

Combine the last two and you get flare waiting to happen. Combine them with the first and some people will call it inexcusable.

And yes, I know that if you want a 17mm TS lens you have no other options.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

Aug 15, 2009 at 09:01 AM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Canon 24mm TS-E II vs 21mm Distagon

I think because of the huge image circle for such a wide angle lens makes it tough to create lens shade for it that even helps protect it from flare.
I think it also picks up flare more if you shift it toward a light source.
I got slight flare inside a church only when I shifted up into the ceiling more where there were spotlights shining down to light up the altar floor area.
I still applaud Canon for coming out with this great bold design with incredible performance for such a wide T/S. For architecture work it is well worth the money and with the introduction of the two new wide T/S lenses, Canon has raised the bar in that area significantly. Only Nikon with its 24 PC has something to compete and the Canon has the new easy to switch tilt and shift direction functionality which Nikon does not.(Have to use tools to do it.)
To make a lens like this costs a lot so I think the prices are inline with the top of the line wide angle lenses in the market right now.

Aug 15, 2009 at 11:43 AM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Canon 24mm TS-E II vs 21mm Distagon

If you decide you want a minty copy of the Contax 21 let me know as I may be prepared to sell mine. I have just bought a 24L2 and also have an Oly 21, so I feel a bit overstocked at that focal length. I tend to use the Oly for its size, and the Canon for its max aperture. I don't shoot landscapes much, so I don't necesarily need cross-frame perfection at this focal length. The Contax is the best though.

Aug 15, 2009 at 01:15 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Canon 24mm TS-E II vs 21mm Distagon

I think it's doozy?? Help! Language Police!
wayne seltzer wrote:
My first T/S lens and it is a dousey(sp?).

Aug 15, 2009 at 02:30 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Canon 24mm TS-E II vs 21mm Distagon

Yakim Peled wrote:
No. It's not bad but honestly, I expected better results.

1. It's a 2.5K lens.
2. It has an enormous protruding front element.
3. It has no lens hood.

Combine the last two and you get flare waiting to happen. Combine them with the first and some people will call it inexcusable.

And yes, I know that if you want a 17mm TS lens you have no other options.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

It's impossible to make a lens hood big enough (like normal lenses have) to protect it against flare. The lens is not only very wide but also a TS lens. Even a hood a bit smaller than a normal hood would interfer with the image.

Aug 15, 2009 at 03:05 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Canon 24mm TS-E II vs 21mm Distagon

I know. That's exactly why I think they should have "walked an extra mile" WRT optical design against flare.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

Aug 15, 2009 at 04:04 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Canon 24mm TS-E II vs 21mm Distagon

Yakim Peled wrote:
I know. That's exactly why I think they should have "walked an extra mile" WRT optical design against flare.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

That's what they did also. And after that they cut ghost and flare with a new super spectra coating and a Sub-Wavelength structure coating.

Aug 15, 2009 at 04:15 PM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Canon 24mm TS-E II vs 21mm Distagon

I don't think so. While all pics and words persuade me that they did think about it and the final outcome is very good WRT flare resistance, the fact that you do see some pics with flare persuade me that they settled for 95% (or 98% if you like) rather than 100%.

And it's not that they can't do it. My humble 10-22 is 100% flare resistant, even when the sun in the frame (Israel is very sunny so whenever I use it I inadvertently test it against flare, even if I'm just shooting). So please forgive me for expecting more from a 2.5K, tour-de-force, one-of-a-kind, L lens.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

Aug 15, 2009 at 05:45 PM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Canon 24mm TS-E II vs 21mm Distagon

kosmoskatten wrote:
Much as I like the Distagon 21, the new 24mm TSE II would leave you with more time sipping an espresso, for sure.

I don't like the 24mm TSE (old one) as I am against having to work with tools (lenses) with inherent limitations (like CA) so I try to find lenses that work for me instead of lenses that I need to work with, to make them work.

+1

I already sold both and ready to get either the 17mm TS-E or the 24mm TS-E Mark II

Aug 15, 2009 at 05:50 PM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Canon 24mm TS-E II vs 21mm Distagon

Yakim Peled wrote:
I don't think so. While all pics and words persuade me that they did think about it and the final outcome is very good WRT flare resistance, the fact that you do see some pics with flare persuade me that they settled for 95% (or 98% if you like) rather than 100%.

And it's not that they can't do it. My humble 10-22 is 100% flare resistant, even when the sun in the frame (Israel is very sunny so whenever I use it I inadvertently test it against flare, even if I'm just shooting). So please forgive me for...Show more →

Comments like " my 10-22 is 100% flare resistant" is just ridiculous"

No 10-22 is 100% flare resistant. So either you don't understand the problem with flare or you are telling us lies

No lens that I own or have used is that. and that includes lenses that cost a lot more than those 2.5k

Aug 15, 2009 at 05:57 PM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Canon 24mm TS-E II vs 21mm Distagon

1) Comparing a small-diameter, in-set front element lens with a lens with a very protruding front element when it comes to flare... well, that is not a very productive or pragmatic way of thinking.

2) the 10-22 is not flare resistant, sorry.

Aug 15, 2009 at 06:32 PM

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