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Archive 2009 · Paralyzed by MkIII Decision

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Paralyzed by MkIII Decision

Hello... I am seeking council and input.
I'm not saying that your advice will influence my final decision, but compelling contributions may push me one way or another.

Fact #1... I have 24 hours to make a decsion
Fact #2... I have the chance to purchase a 1D mkIII in EX (used condition w/ brassing... not an issue for me... for $2400)
Fact #3... I have checked images and focus (barely) and it seems on w/ my 300 f2.8 IS
Fact #4... I can't afford it, but can trade up to it...

Fact #4 is why I am seeking your input:

I am a nature shooter... all nature (not bird specific!).... landscape + wildlife + abstract. See my website as it says it all ( http://www.btleventhal.com )

Trade agreed to by my local dealer: 50D (mint) + 5D mkI (Ex+) + $350 = 1D mkIII w/ all factory materials and box. I previously used an love a 1D mkII but hated the batteries. I do not know how many actuations, but the serial number is 53XXXX

what do you think?
go for it or stick w/ my gear... tell me why.

thanks and regards,
bruce

Jul 15, 2009 at 05:44 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Paralyzed by MkIII Decision

I would do if for an even swap but I wouldn't add $350.00

Jul 15, 2009 at 05:47 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Paralyzed by MkIII Decision

If your current gear isn't getting you the shots you want (and only you know if this is the case, but if the AF on the 50D is too slow...), then I'd do the trade.

I recently debated between a 5D2 and a 1DmkIII. While I won't go into the details re. my decision as it was based on a set of entirely different factors related to the types of photography I like to do, I can tell you this: I ordered the 5D2.

--tom

Jul 15, 2009 at 05:48 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Paralyzed by MkIII Decision

I forgot to add -- more complications on your end. I agree with rprouty: Yes, the extra $350 might be pushing it a bit...

Jul 15, 2009 at 05:49 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Paralyzed by MkIII Decision

Do it.

Jul 15, 2009 at 05:54 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Paralyzed by MkIII Decision

Used 5D Ex+ = ...... ~$1200
Used 50D Ex++ = ... ~$1200
Extra cash = ............ $350

I would go back to the dealer and show him the math, then re-negotiate.

If it were me, I'd rather have the 1D3 than those other two combined, but I'm not sure I'd want to throw away $350 to do it.

Jul 15, 2009 at 06:01 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Paralyzed by MkIII Decision

Thanks so far, but you are missing one key point...
If I pass on this, the price will be $2800. I've done a lot of business w/ these people and they are cutting in on their normal profit ratio... I agree that a used 5D would sell for $1200 if I were to put it on the B&S board... a 50D would go for about $950 based on recent postings... that's $2100.

What does a used 1DIII sell for on the board?... $2400-$3000 depending on condition...
Correct me if I'm wrong here.

For MarkIII users, have you been happy w/ your landscape work when using this camera? The 5D is great for landscapes (not just because of the full frame)... amazing color and detail.

cheers,
bruce

Jul 15, 2009 at 06:08 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Paralyzed by MkIII Decision

rprouty wrote:
I would do if for an even swap but I wouldn't add $350.00

Lance Couture wrote:
Used 5D Ex+ = ...... ~$1200
Used 50D Ex++ = ... ~$1200
Extra cash = ............ $350

I would go back to the dealer and show him the math, then re-negotiate.

If it were me, I'd rather have the 1D3 than those other two combined, but I'm not sure I'd want to throw away $350 to do it.

Not to be rude or anything.
I believe your thinking from a consumer level, not a business level.

As a business, the dealer would want to make some form of profit as such that $350 is the profit for the trade. He needs to be able to sell not just 1 camera as the initial objective was, but now 2.

No one starts a business to make 0 or negative profit. Just my thoughts on business. I personally think its a great deal if your happy with the condition of the 1D III and the trade.

Edited on Jul 15, 2009 at 06:42 PM · View previous versions

Jul 15, 2009 at 06:37 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Paralyzed by MkIII Decision

For a dealer, that is a heck of a deal to offer you IMO. If you really want that camera, I don't see why not.

Jul 15, 2009 at 06:38 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Paralyzed by MkIII Decision

Ultimately, I don't think the $350 is that crucial either way - in 6 months time you won't be worrying about that, you'll either be happy you leapt or regreting letting your 50D & 5D go. Obviously saving money is good if you can, but I would make the decision based on whether you feel your current gear satisfies your needs or not.

To some extent it's also going to depend on the *amount* of landscape you shoot - the 1DIII is going to thrash the 50D - & also the 5D, except that it's not FF & doesn't render quite the same images ...

I feel your pain. Being on the horns (of a dilemma) can be excruciating!

Jul 15, 2009 at 06:46 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Paralyzed by MkIII Decision

SnapsterAU wrote:
Not to be rude or anything.
I believe your thinking from a consumer level, not a business level.

As a business, the dealer would want to make some form of profit as such that $350 is the profit for the trade. He needs to be able to sell not just 1 camera as the initial objective was, but now 2.

No one starts a business to make 0 or negative profit. Just my thoughts on business. I personally think its a great deal if your happy with the condition of the 1D III and the trade.

Um... correct me if I'm wrong, but the OP *is* a consumer, or more specifically *the* consumer in this senario...

Jul 15, 2009 at 07:04 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Paralyzed by MkIII Decision

OwlsEyes wrote:
For MarkIII users, have you been happy w/ your landscape work when using this camera? The 5D is great for landscapes (not just because of the full frame)... amazing color and detail.

The Mark III files are excellent, certainly at least on par with my 5D files (aside from the resolution difference, obviously.) The main concern is your wide angles are no longer quite as wide as they were. This may or may not matter to you, of course.

Jul 15, 2009 at 07:27 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Paralyzed by MkIII Decision

I lust for a 1 series but I wont part with my 5d for it
I think, for me, I will always want a full frame camera

I also prefer to get rid of something because I don't want it any more rather than because I want something else. We might differ in that respect.

Jul 15, 2009 at 08:43 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Paralyzed by MkIII Decision

i think you are diong ok.

$1200 for a 50D

!?!?! HAHAHAHA

your 5D and 50D are worth about 2100-2200.

its a great camera. but it needs high end lenses.

Jul 15, 2009 at 08:46 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Paralyzed by MkIII Decision

I couldn't afford mine when I bought it either. In fact I'm still paying on it. I wouldn't change my mind on buying the 1D3 for one second. This camera does things that I never thought a camera could do. I gave $3000 for mine in December, and would pay $3000 for one right now if something happened to mine. This camera is that good!

Jul 15, 2009 at 08:49 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Paralyzed by MkIII Decision

Lance Couture wrote:
Um... correct me if I'm wrong, but the OP *is* a consumer, or more specifically *the* consumer in this senario...

Of course the OP is consumer, but we have to take into consideration the business dealer in this scenario. If you give him no profit then there won't be a trade at all. In other words advise on flat trade based on used market prices with no addition is useless in this scenario.

You might as well sell both your cameras first then go buy the 1D III. The dealer is just wasting their time doing a flat trade with no profit. This isn't a simple matter of a private transaction between a person and a person, where profit has no concern. It's between a person and a business, where profit does concern.

It's like going into a store and asking them to match ebay prices. They won't match it. Bricks and mortar theory.

We can argue how much is fair profit in this regards. However having no profit for the business is pretty much a waste of time. It is more likely that if you did re-offer without the $350 you would damage your relationship with the dealer.

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Jul 15, 2009 at 08:50 PM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Paralyzed by MkIII Decision

Tell him I'll give him my 40D with low actuation, my 5D with low actuation, and $350 for it.

Jul 15, 2009 at 08:50 PM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Paralyzed by MkIII Decision

I would not buy a used 1D MK III unless it has a 100% return policy. Since you would have to trade everything else, I would say no. Would you even have a backup camera after the trade?

EBH

Jul 15, 2009 at 08:52 PM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Paralyzed by MkIII Decision

STOP.........

Get the S/N off the camera and call Canon to make sure all the fixes and patches have been applied to this camera before doing this trade.

Ty

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Jul 15, 2009 at 09:20 PM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Paralyzed by MkIII Decision

EB-1 wrote:
I would not buy a used 1D MK III unless it has a 100% return policy. Since you would have to trade everything else, I would say no. Would you even have a backup camera after the trade?

EBH

I do have a 100% return policy (store credit only). I think my dealer has a buyer lined up for the 5D... although they are getting a bit long in the tooth, the 5D is still a desirable low cost alternative to a 5DmkII or D700.

The lack of a 2nd body actually does matter for the way I shoot...
This has been a tough decision for me because I actually shoot w/ both bodies and will switch cameras instead of lenses on a regular basis. In general, I keep my 300 2.8IS on my crop bodies and alternate between my macro gear and wide-angles on the 5D.

With that said, I would have access to my wife's 40D.
Regarding good glass... that's what I have. I've purchased glass instead of bodies...
...glass is forever!

thanks for all of the input and regards

Jul 15, 2009 at 09:22 PM

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