Gochugogi wrote:
Canon advertised the EOS 3 has having similar materials, construction and sealing as the 1N. I have the 1998 EOS 3 brochure and it states this and even has a picture of the EOS 3 covered with rain drops. And the brochure certainly heralds the EOS 3 as a pro body. So the EOS 3 had pro body construction via EOS 1/1N standards. However the 1V one upped it with magnesium body, even better seals and twin CPUs.
Not sure about the twin cpu's. The 1V cpu ws clocked higher, 33MHz vs 24MHz for the EOS 3, but overall feature set was the same. Most said they could not really detect the improved AF speed of the 1V over the 3. The 1V did get a permanent battery level indicator on the lcd panel; with the 3 you had to press this tiny little hidden button to activate battery level.
If the 5D II had the 1 series AF, 4.5fps, and better sealing, it would be pretty much an EOS 3D.
5D + 1/2 of 1D AF + weather sealed + sensor cleaner + 5 fps + 3" LCD = 3D ...how about $2700 ? any takers ?
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Not sure about the twin cpu's. The 1V cpu ws clocked higher, 33MHz vs 24MHz for the EOS 3, but overall feature set was the same. Most said they could not really detect the improved AF speed of the 1V over the 3. The 1V did get a permanent battery level indicator on the lcd panel; with the 3 you had to press this tiny little hidden button to activate battery level.
If the 5D II had the 1 series AF, 4.5fps, and better sealing, it would be pretty much an EOS 3D.
n0b0 wrote:
That's my point, what sort of AF would you put on the 5D3? even if it's only 15-20 points, wouldn't it kinda overlap with the 1Ds? Which one do you think people would choose? I got a feeling people will choose say a $3,500 20 point AF 5D3 over a $7,000 50point AF 1Ds4. Not sure Canon will like that.
Both Nikon and Sony are driving this bus. They are putting their best foot forward into the prosumer cameras. Both the A900 and D700 have better features and AF than the 5DII. Canon is not the only fish in this sea, so it is not only up to Canon what they will like...the consumer has much to say about this.
See Nkon D700 has about half the megapixel of D3X, that's something to differentiate those two cameras. 5D2 on the other hand, has the same megapixel as 1Ds3. If Canon gives pro AF to 5D3, they would have to lower the megapixel or take something else out to differentiate the cameras or they'd just be shooting themselves in the foot. Either way people will still complain, for example, macro or landscape photographers who have more use for the bigger megapixel than pro AF.
One thing about Canon, is that they eventually get around to adding the features the others have had from the get go. However, it usually takes 2-3 generations. As much as I am a cynic, they WILL put much better AF in a non 1 series.
n0b0, Canon could release a 7D with lesser pixels and no video, but superior AF and speed. Then you decide what is more important: pixels or AF.
However, one day they will put it all in the one package, but that might take another generation or two.
garyvot wrote:
That's just the thing... except for a few folks on this board (and maybe dpreview), most people seem to really love both the 40D and the 50D. Have you checked the 50D customer reviews on the B&H web site lately? Hardly evidence that Canon has "blown it".
I'll bet dollars to donuts that if the folks at Canon waste *any* time reading "expert" opinions on the internet they will pay more attention to folks who have actually plonked down money for the camera than those whining & wish-listing on FM.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
n0b0, Canon could release a 7D with lesser pixels and no video, but superior AF and speed. Then you decide what is more important: pixels or AF.
But then it'll overlap with the 1D3.
I guess we'll have to see what Canon has in mind for the mark IV bodies first. It's easier to see what Nikon has in mind since they already released their latest pro and premium bodies.
Speaking of Nikon's line, do they have any counterpart for the 1D3 like the D3X is for the 1Ds3?
I suggest we take these demands directly to the source. Here's a form letter we can all use to e-mail Canon.
Dear Santy Canon,
For ___ year(s) now, I have lived with your (circle all that apply) lack of professional AF/slightly lower than Nikon's dynamic range/archaic flash system/high noise at low ISOs/cheap build/lack of dual CF/lack of SD/lack of dual SD/lack of CF and SD/lack of micro SD slot/lack of memory stick slot/direct print button/stupid tiny mirror/stupid tiny viewfinder/slow frame rate/densely packed sensors in your entry-level professional cameras, and I'm fed up. I feel like you lured me in with your low prices and unparalleled lens selection and then abandoned me/hate me/have become a very easy target for me on the internet, and now you are going to pay. Ever since Nikon/Olympus/Sony released their D300/Pen/Playstation3, I've been consumed with envy and I realize now that you're standing in the way of me becoming a real photographer/a real boy/much more lazy about my work/popular. I am now at a point in my professional life/artistic life/second childhood/extended childhood/prison sentence where I can afford the best, so I would be willing to pay more for these features had you decided to supply them at a price I deemed fair.
So, unless the forthcoming camera announcement contains a body that has (insert essay detailing required features and exactly how you want them implemented) I am selling my Canon gear at a huge loss and switching to Nikon/Olympus/Sony/Medium Format/an Epson point and shoot, though I will likely keep my 40D/5D/5DII/1DsII and my 35L/85L/135L/800L/70-200f/4 until my new brand catches up with those gems. But I will curse you every time I use them.
Thank you for your attention in this matter.
Sincerely,
Disgruntled Canon Shooter (insert name here)
If that's too direct, I can probably come up with a similar prayer to St. Canon. You know, for the passive-aggressive among us.
I guess we'll have to see what Canon has in mind for the mark IV bodies first. It's easier to see what Nikon has in mind since they already released their latest pro and premium bodies.
Speaking of Nikon's line, do they have any counterpart for the 1D3 like the D3X is for the 1Ds3?
I don't see how the 7D would overlap in any consequential way for Canon. The 7D would not have the build, the twin cards, the AF speed, fps, sealing etc.
The Nikon equivalent of the 1D III is the D3. It does 9fps with 12.3MP and 11fps in DX mode. I'm wondering if they'll do an update that adds video and a few other tweaks?
artsupreme wrote:
Yeah, I guess some of you are right....I guess technology advancement is non applicable when we're talking about computer chips, sensors, and AF systems....! hahahaaha This is classic! Thanks for the laughs.
And if Brazil boy thinks a 40D/50D is a fiat compared to a 1D2 "ferrari" he's clueless...I've owned both and a 40D can achieve the exact same results (if not better in some cases less a few fps) in the right hands.
Maybe I'll go buy some 1D's since they are "pro" bodies and will never be surpassed by "prosumer" technology.
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I wonder why Rebels does not have 45-point AF system then. It's been 8 years since 1D was launched with this. Since 8 years is a lifetime in eletronics, oh why? Thanks for the laughs.
My point is that some 1D2 features (esp. BQ and AF) ARE Ferraris compared to xxD bodies, period. Well, IMO, period. I owned a 1D and XTi and have an XSi. People down here also know what these tools can do.
And next time you refer to myself, try to call me by name. Alexandre has 9 letters, like Brazil Boy (less if you count the space). I may not be the only Brazilian here... try to be as polite as I am clueless
And I never said pro bodies will not be surpassed by prosumer cameras. But, if Canon does this in the same generation, well, nobody will buy 1-series again, am I right?
alexandre wrote:
And I never said pro bodies will not be surpassed by prosumer cameras. But, if Canon does this in the same generation, well, nobody will buy 1-series again, am I right?
Peace.
Interesting that Nikon essentially did this with the D700. I think it caught most by surprise that they would offer a camera so close to the D3 in specs. Still, what happens is that those artificially forced into the pro model because they feel they had no other choice can drop back a level and those that really need the pro cameras still buy them - sort of how things used to be in the film days. As I keep saying, it doesn't matter how the bottom line is achieved as long as it doesn't get worse. I'm guessing they would sell more than enough prosumer models to make up for a drop in 1 series revenue.
I guess we'll have to see what Canon has in mind for the mark IV bodies first. It's easier to see what Nikon has in mind since they already released their latest pro and premium bodies.
Speaking of Nikon's line, do they have any counterpart for the 1D3 like the D3X is for the 1Ds3?
Yes. They have a D3, 9 fps. There is also a D300, 8 fps with the battery pack.
If I were Canon I would keep the 50D and drop the price and add a full featured crop body with upgraded AF into the line-up between the 50D and the 5DII. A "pro" crop if you will. That way it doesn't really compete with any of the existing products and presents a cleaner product line and clearer product demarcation.
If I were Canon I would keep the 50D and drop the price and add a full featured crop body with upgraded AF into the line-up between the 50D and the 5DII. A "pro" crop if you will. That way it doesn't really compete with any of the existing products and presents a cleaner product line and clearer product demarcation.
! hahahaaha This is classic! Thanks for the laughs. 
I owned a 1D and XTi and have an XSi. People down here also know what these tools can do.