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Oct 09, 2020 at 08:20 PM
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So cool!


Dec 12, 2020 at 11:19 AM
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A TC will give you no more than double the magnification of your lens.


It depends on the design of the TC as to whether this will work or not, but I use TCs which I can stack. With a pair of Kenko 2X TCs on a Laowa 100mm 2X macro lens I get from infinity focus to 8X magnification (with a working distance of around 72mm at 8X).


1817 4 Double 2X TC with 100mm 2X macro on A7ii by gardenersassistant, on Flickr


1817 3 Double 2X TC with 100mm 2X macro on A7ii by gardenersassistant, on Flickr



Feb 11, 2021 at 08:26 PM
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Interesting to see you stacking TCs. Blaker established that you could do this with no loss of quality. However, he found that similar TCs stacked in one sequence might give a central white disc of flare, whereas in a different sequence this did not happen:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Handbook-Scientific-Photography-Alfred-Blaker/dp/0716702851

Good luck with all that potential snagging out in the woods! I went over to RC flash years ago. I also use some freestanding, off-camera flash when working at ground level or equivalent.

Harold



Feb 12, 2021 at 02:36 AM
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e6filmuser wrote:
Interesting to see you stacking TCs. Blaker established that you could do this with no loss of quality. However, he found that similar TCs stacked in one sequence might give a central white disc of flare, whereas in a different sequence this did not happen:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Handbook-Scientific-Photography-Alfred-Blaker/dp/0716702851


Thanks Harold. I've just ordered a second hand copy.

I seem to have been very fortunate in happening upon teleconverters that are physically capable of being stacked (from pictures of them I imagine Canon, Sony, Olympus and Panasonic TCs can't be stacked, and maybe the same for Nikon TCs), and which don't give any flare issue that I've noticed.

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Good luck with all that potential snagging out in the woods!


Its the setup I've been using for several years now. With this latest camera setup I tried numerous flash setups with lens-mounted flash units (Yongnuo and Meike) but despite trying lots of diffusion materials and configurations (and help from John Kimbler, @Dalantech, who is very good with flash), and also trying cross polarisation, I couldn't get illumination that I was comfortable with, particularly with reflective subjects. Out of desperation I took a KX800 setup off of one of my close-up lens on telezoom setups, stretched the arms out, and tried that. The illumination was more like I was used to. Still highly imperfect with reflective subjects, but I decided to live with that; I was burnt out with the fruitless flash configuration experiments. At least I was familiar with the operating characteristics with the KX800.

The diffusers obviously do get in the way sometimes, but the arms give a bit when I push in to an obstruction and I can usually get what I need from it. Sometimes of course it pushes away a branch connected to what the subject is on, in which case I can't get close enough, but that doesn't happen often enough to make me want to go back to a thus far frustrating search for a flash setup which provides illumination I like without getting in the way sometimes.

e6filmuser wrote:
I went over to RC flash years ago. I also use some freestanding, off-camera flash when working at ground level or equivalent.

Harold


The KX800 is fully manual and so quite crude in its controls, but they provide all I need and are very accessible (using right hand thumb, with both hands left in place) and quick to use.

I could be wrong about it (I have been wrong about plenty of other things!), but I've never felt that off-camera flash would work well for what I do (for example following subjects as they move around, in and out of view, often radically changing my angle of attack to get a line on them, and changing magnification often and a lot too).




Feb 12, 2021 at 06:11 AM
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gardenhelper wrote:
Thanks Harold. I've just ordered a second hand copy. [/quote}

When I ordered mine from America it cost 50 and the postage was as much again and then there was import duty & VAT!

e6filmuser wrote:
Good luck with all that potential snagging out in the woods!


I was referring to walking through brambles and twiggy bushes to find specimens. Less of a problem at the subject position. Depends whether you carry the components in a bag and assemble when you find subject, which I often do if there in not much around.

I could be wrong about it (I have been wrong about plenty of other things!), but I've never felt that off-camera flash would work well for what I do (for example following subjects as they move around, in and out of view, often radically...Show more

TTL metering (up to several guns) takes care of most of that. When tracking moving specimens my second unit on its foot is easily and quickly moved. The main unit
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Feb 12, 2021 at 06:55 AM
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gardenhelper wrote:
Thanks Harold. I've just ordered a second hand copy.


When I ordered mine from America it cost 50 and the postage was as much again and then there was import duty & VAT!

e6filmuser wrote:
Good luck with all that potential snagging out in the woods!


I was referring to walking through brambles and twiggy bushes to find specimens. Less of a problem at the subject position. Depends whether you carry the components in a bag and assemble when you find subject, which I often do if there in not much around.

I could be wrong about it (I have been wrong about plenty of other things!), but I've never felt that off-camera flash would work well for what I do (for example following subjects as they move around, in and out of view, often radically changing my angle of attack to get a line on them, and changing magnification often and a lot too).


TTL metering (up to several guns) takes care of most of that. When tracking moving specimens my second unit *on its foot is easily and quickly moved. The main unit in on an L-bracket on the camera.

Unfortunately, Olympus make the only one which can be tilted down by 45 degrees.

Harold



Feb 12, 2021 at 06:55 AM
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e6filmuser wrote:
When I ordered mine from America it cost 50 and the postage was as much again and then there was import duty & VAT!


23.80 including postage for mine.

e6filmuser wrote:
I was referring to walking through brambles and twiggy bushes to find specimens. Less of a problem at the subject position. Depends whether you carry the components in a bag and assemble when you find subject, which I often do if there in not much around.


I carry the fully rigged setup around in my hands. I've not had problems when walking around. I often used a bag for my close-up lens on telezoom lens setups, but with this setup I haven't been using a bag. I have workman's trousers with lots of pockets for spare batteries and a folded refuse bag (in case I need to put the kit down on wet ground), and for botanical sessions, also a ColorChecker Passport and scissors.


1783 2 Photography trousers by gardenersassistant, on Flickr

Kneepad

1783 3 Photograph trousers kneepads by gardenersassistant, on Flickr

e6filmuser wrote:
TTL metering (up to several guns) takes care of most of that. When tracking moving specimens my second unit *on its foot is easily and quickly moved. The main unit in on an L-bracket on the camera.

Unfortunately, Olympus make the only one which can be tilted down by 45 degrees.

Harold


Interesting. Thanks.




Feb 12, 2021 at 07:37 AM
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Workman's trousers - good tip.

Kneepads - I always carry at least one but I rarely bother. I would on sharp(ish) rock.

Wet knees are an occupational harzard. I mostly just accept that. I have waxed leggings for serious rain and a hooded, waxed jacket for all but warm, dry weather.

Harold



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Harold,

Since you mentioned Blaker's Handbook for Scientific Photography, I'll also suggest getting his other book from the 1970s: Blaker, A.A., 1976, Field Photography, Beginning and Advanced Techniques: Freeman, 449 p.

Glen



Feb 16, 2022 at 02:08 AM
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gmwyatt wrote:
Harold,

Since you mentioned Blaker's Handbook for Scientific Photography, I'll also suggest getting his other book from the 1970s: Blaker, A.A., 1976, Field Photography, Beginning and Advanced Techniques: Freeman, 449 p.

Glen


Thank, Glen, I purchased it around the same time.

The two books were being "remaindered" a few years ago at 10 or so each.

Harold



Feb 16, 2022 at 04:00 AM
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Panasonic Lumix GX-85 with Oshiro 60mm 2:1 (Canon EF mounted with passive fotasy adapter) + Godox V1 + Pringles can hack with wax paper for diffusion

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Mar 08, 2022 at 04:22 PM
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mannyfresh79 wrote:
Panasonic Lumix GX-85 with Oshiro 60mm 2:1 (Canon EF mounted with passive fotasy adapter) + Godox V1 + Pringles can hack with wax paper for diffusion


That's an excellent lens, my goto macro for my A7r3, although I don't yet do much macro with that camera.

That said, you images look soft. Noise may be contributing to this.

I have taken a closer look and the front edge of the wings seem to be the sharpest part, with the eyes reasonably good but the face OOF. This suggests too wide an aperture.

Harold



Mar 09, 2022 at 03:37 AM
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Thanks for taking a look, Harold. Most of the time I'm shooting these critters in a hurry and don't have time to review the photos. I'll work on stopping down But for the ugly (and cheap) setup, I think the pics come out great.


Mar 09, 2022 at 06:30 AM
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mannyfresh79 wrote:
Thanks for taking a look, Harold. Most of the time I'm shooting these critters in a hurry and don't have time to review the photos. I'll work on stopping down But for the ugly (and cheap) setup, I think the pics come out great.


I use a default of f11 so focus is not often an issue.

Your framing, exposure, etc. Are OK.

Harold



Mar 09, 2022 at 06:40 AM
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New to this and enjoying it so far.

5D MK IV
Canon MP-E 65
Meike MK-MT24 II TTL Macro Ring Flash

Not digging the rail I got. Its probably ok for a very light setup but as soon as I tilt the head on this setup, the gear slips when I try to adjust. I end up having to assist and that sometimes results in small changes that show up later.

Ran into issues with this setup immediately. The Ring Flash setup eats up about 1 inch of your working distance. At 3.5 to 5x I was having issues with the flash heads hitting
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Holy [email protected]@!!!!!! wow nice!!



Apr 28, 2022 at 11:47 PM
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Nikon Z50 with 105mm Micro Nikkor and R1-SU-800 flash unit.



May 03, 2022 at 09:37 PM
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The flash guns are best with diffuser material taped across the front.

Harold



May 04, 2022 at 02:41 AM
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