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Yianni wrote:
What? A firmware (A legal one anyways) that adds features to an existing Canon Camera? Did heads roll at Canon HQ recently? I cannot recall this ever happening before.

With Nikon, yes, quite often! With Canon, this has to be a first!


A firmware update added joystick AF control to the 1Ds MK III. That was just prior to my ordering one. It was a major improvement for my needs.

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May 26, 2009 at 10:12 PM
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huduguru wrote:
By the same token, they have never released a camera which enticed users to buy non-canon lenses.


I take it you never purchased Zeiss, Leica, or other wideangle lenses for the 1Ds MK II, etc.?

EBH



May 26, 2009 at 10:13 PM
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helimat wrote:
Another firmware upgrade I would like to see (even more than this one) is spot metering linked to active the AF point like the 1D series.


Yes. Out of my 1-series camera, I miss this kind of stuff the most. I have center weighted spot metering on my 5D all the time. I meter what I want, then focus, and sometimes recompose. I know it isn't that big of a deal but in today's world of technology, it is definately possible to incorporate some of this in the pro-sumer line.



May 26, 2009 at 10:16 PM
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Paolo Dolina wrote:
^^ my guess is the rumors about the 5D2 being rushed to market because of the D90 was true.


I think you have it backwards. Based on release cycles and announcements, it was the D90 that was rushed based on the video in the forthcoming 5D II.



May 26, 2009 at 10:26 PM
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p.3 #5 · update 5dMk2 Full Manual Video Control


ahhh great, they actually got around to finishing their product, thanks to Iron Man and Harry Potter I bet!


May 26, 2009 at 10:31 PM
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davenfl wrote:
Available for download June 2nd per the press release.


I am aware of that, I kind of phrased my post backwards, I meant that I hope my need doesn't come before June 2.



May 26, 2009 at 10:36 PM
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Paolo Dolina wrote:
^^ my guess is the rumors about the 5D2 being rushed to market because of the D90 was true.


Not true at all, simply another case of Canon Marketing getting in the way of the engineers. If it took more than a few lines of code to enable this it would be shocking. This frankly is one of the more pleasant things Canon has done in a while and as a long time customer it makes me smile.



May 26, 2009 at 10:43 PM
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Wow this will really pump up sales.. much cheaper solution for videographers than expensive HD cams, especially with the lens choices. I for one am glad.. I find the video frustrating especially in backlight.


May 26, 2009 at 10:46 PM
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p.3 #9 · update 5dMk2 Full Manual Video Control


That represents a very large firmware update in terms of features. It's certainly good to hear.


May 26, 2009 at 10:56 PM
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Oh hell yes! This just made my day.


May 26, 2009 at 11:00 PM
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This is awesome news, and combined with the audio hack accomplished (but not yet released) that leaves only 24p to be desired.

Now I wonder how it will be implemented. I'm guessing the same as stills with aperture on the back wheel, SS on the top wheel, and ISO a button away?



May 26, 2009 at 11:03 PM
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Ben Horne wrote:
That represents a very large firmware update in terms of features. It's certainly good to hear.


I think your dead on right Ben, lots of tonight and I am sure the chatter will be plentiful tomorrow.



May 26, 2009 at 11:19 PM
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Will Patterson wrote:
OMG FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!! I'm so happy! This is going to rock!


yes, awesome!

i've given canon plenty of heat, but must give them praise now for finally switching over and coming through for us!



May 26, 2009 at 11:19 PM
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Seth Tower wrote:
Okay, someone please explain to me the difference between 24fps ("true" video) and 30fps (what virtually ALL point-shoot cameras and DSLRs have)?


24fps is standard motion picture film frames per second rate (well sort of 'doubly' projected to 48fps to cut flicker) and I believe shutter speed is most typically at 1/48th, although sometimes they go at different shutter rates for certain feels like sometimes for in the action war scenes they may go to a noticeably faster shutter speed for a more staccato look and a more frantic otherwordly feeling. Sometimes they may shoot at a different frame rate to do slow mo or speedmo stuff although ultimately the final product is show at 24 (well doubled to prevent flicker, but it's still jsut 24 different frames per second). Just shooting at 24fps alone won't make it look like a feature film, you need a shutter speed around 1/48th to get the proper amount of motion blur for a motion-picture type look as for instance if they gave us 24fps but had the shutter speed say 1/120th and up then it would still never have a motion picture type feel (and if you used a tiny video sensor you would always have so much DOF it would never give the film look, not that film isn't often shoot with large DOF, but usually a mix).

it doesn't sound like 24fps will be allowed, but who knows, maybe they are holding that back as the final suprise on release day, or maybe marketing won't let them or maybe the h.264 encorder is locked into expecting a 30fps input or maybe something else in the hardware just didn't work out to allow it.

some film, such as IMAX, I believe has more like a 30 or even 60fps speed, I forget.

in some ways 24fps was an accident, it was hard to make them run fast back in the day due to technological limitations so they kind of went as slow as they could without getting totally choppy. In some ways 30fps and more are more realistic and the higher you go the less you suffer from panning judders and stuff so higher fps are not necessarily something bad, although it turns out that the 24fps / 1/48th by making things a bit artificial happens to do it in a way that perhaps can seem grandeur or something in a way even if less realistic.

anyway whatever the case with the frame rate, wow about the new manual controls.



May 26, 2009 at 11:26 PM
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Will Patterson wrote:
The AF is mostly hardware (cross type sensors as opposed normal sensors), so no, it'll never be updated. I still have 0 complaints about the AF on my 5d2, though. It's never let me down, and I've owned a 1d2 and 1d3.


Haha yes I know. Next time I'll turn the <sarcasm> tags on



May 26, 2009 at 11:45 PM
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skibum5 wrote:
yes, awesome!

i've given canon plenty of heat, but must give them praise now for finally switching over and coming through for us!


+1



May 27, 2009 at 12:27 AM
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Hallelujah! That will make it much more usable. Now all that's left is to enable AF....


Happy shooting,
Yakim.




May 27, 2009 at 12:30 AM
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Yakim Peled wrote:
Hallelujah! That will make it much more usable. Now all that's left is to enable AF....

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



??

AF is enabled. Granted...Slow.. but it does have AF functionality.



May 27, 2009 at 12:36 AM
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p.3 #19 · update 5dMk2 Full Manual Video Control


It may simply be that Canon have now reached the point where stimulating more demand for 5D MkII is appropriate. Until now it has prestty much not been out of back-order. If they gauged market reaction properly before the launch, it would be logical to not enable this feature right away, the only effect of which would be to create massive unsatisfied demand. Whereas now they have something to talk about -again-, always a good marketing tool. Also, in the interim, Nikon have released not one but 2 bodies with video, and seem to be struggling to offer as much as Canon. So it makes sense to upgrade the firmware now and establish themselves as the supplier of the best possible video among DSLRs.
Just my $0.02



May 27, 2009 at 12:39 AM
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p.3 #20 · update 5dMk2 Full Manual Video Control


You guys can send your thank you's in either email or pm form I just purchased my first old school pentax lens SPECIFICALLY to shoot video with aperture control, thus Canon decided it was the right to release the update


May 27, 2009 at 12:44 AM
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