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Archive 2008 · New (used) Rokkor 21mm/2.8

  
 
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Dim.ka_ wrote:
http://album.foto.ru:8080/photos/or/41852/353791.jpg


In this photo, i dont see the screw at all. can you show us where you drill those holes.



Nov 14, 2008 at 05:19 PM
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p.3 #2 · New (used) Rokkor 21mm/2.8


Wow, looks like a lathe is needed for this type of conversion. For the ones who have done conversions, do you own these lathes? they are pretty expensive, aren't they? and you have to be skilled too.
I tried to do the same thing with a grinder and oh boy did I make a mess with my 28 f/2.



Nov 14, 2008 at 05:20 PM
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p.3 #3 · New (used) Rokkor 21mm/2.8


No Paul, aluminium and even bronze adapter itself is quite soft to screw in and make thread - just make a drill hole a bit less then original screw itself.


Nov 14, 2008 at 05:23 PM
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p.3 #4 · New (used) Rokkor 21mm/2.8


cogitech wrote:
They go in from the back, through the mount base, into the new mount.

Dmitry, you must have used a tiny tap/dye set to make threaded holes in the new mount?


Thanks Paul. got the answer here



Nov 14, 2008 at 05:26 PM
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p.3 #5 · New (used) Rokkor 21mm/2.8


Dim.ka_ wrote:
No Paul, aluminium and even bronze adapter itself is quite soft to screw in and make thread - just make a drill hole a bit less then original screw itself.


Ahhh... cool!



Nov 14, 2008 at 05:30 PM
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p.3 #6 · New (used) Rokkor 21mm/2.8


debuggerus wrote:
Wow, looks like a lathe is needed for this type of conversion. For the ones who have done conversions, do you own these lathes? they are pretty expensive, aren't they? and you have to be skilled too.
I tried to do the same thing with a grinder and oh boy did I make a mess with my 28 f/2.


You need something like this
300-400$

http://i4.ebayimg.com/04/i/001/11/e1/9395_12.JPG



Nov 14, 2008 at 05:30 PM
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p.3 #7 · New (used) Rokkor 21mm/2.8


debuggerus wrote:
Wow, looks like a lathe is needed for this type of conversion. For the ones who have done conversions, do you own these lathes? they are pretty expensive, aren't they? and you have to be skilled too.
I tried to do the same thing with a grinder and oh boy did I make a mess with my 28 f/2.


Yeah, this is "high-end" conversion, for sure. Not really DIY like the 58/1.2, unless you have some good tools and skills.



Nov 14, 2008 at 05:32 PM
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p.3 #8 · New (used) Rokkor 21mm/2.8


Paul no, "high-end" conversion is FD 85 1.2 you know that for sure


Nov 14, 2008 at 05:34 PM
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Nov 14, 2008 at 05:35 PM
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p.3 #10 · New (used) Rokkor 21mm/2.8


I have a question about the above 35mm Rokkor:

If the new EOS flange is attached to the lens base from the underside with the 4 original screws, then how did you get that clear anodized ring with the 3 radial screws in the side, over the new EOS flange? The EOS flange has a larger diameter than the clear ring, if I remember correctly.



Nov 14, 2008 at 06:25 PM
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p.3 #11 · New (used) Rokkor 21mm/2.8


Once you have the old bayonet mount off what do you actually have to lathe?

From your photo it looks like you have removed material from the outer ring of the M42 adapter so it will center in that ring around the rear lens element. Are you making the M42 adapter thinner for infinity focus? Is this where the lathe comes into play?

Thanks for all the advice and photos by the way...

Here is a photo of the old mount and the M42 adapter. It seems like the diameter of the opening on the M42 adapter is ever so slightly wider than the Minolta mount. Is it possible to mount the four screws through the factory holes on the back of the aperture ring and have enough material for the new screw holes on the hole opening edge of the M42 ring?




Edited on Nov 14, 2008 at 07:06 PM · View previous versions



Nov 14, 2008 at 06:48 PM
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p.3 #12 · New (used) Rokkor 21mm/2.8


JimBuchanan - this is just cutted inner part from the whole m42 adapter.

Like here on the right side of the photo you need cut it till the end and you will get this inner part which we will screw in to the original minolta base




Nov 14, 2008 at 06:49 PM
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p.3 #13 · New (used) Rokkor 21mm/2.8


Yes Max you are right, in my case i have made the m42 adapter a bit thinner (yes did it with lathe)



unfortunately you need to make new 4 holes



Nov 14, 2008 at 06:59 PM
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p.3 #14 · New (used) Rokkor 21mm/2.8


Whmmm,

I know a lathe would make removing all that material much cleaner, but I wonder if using a Dremel grinder tool with the M42 secured in a vise would work?





Nov 14, 2008 at 07:04 PM
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p.3 #15 · New (used) Rokkor 21mm/2.8


Sorry for all the questions but I want to be clear what I have to do here...

Photos help:

The top pic shows the old Minolta mount on the back of the main aperture ring. Four screws go from the underside of the aperture ring into the stainless steel Minolta mount.

The second pic shows the slight ridge that centers the Minolta mount. A section of this ridge has been circled. The third pic shows the new M42 mount resting on the aperture ring.

Would it work If I shaved off this thin ridge or even shaved off some of the entire area I have made green? I think this would allow me to sink new screw holes a little further way from the center hole which would make anchoring he M42 better. I would not need to cut the edges of the M42 adapter this way. That little ridge does stick out a bit and I think it pushes the M42 away from the aperture ring which messes up the focus.

This could be one of those "don't raise the bridge just lower the river" exercises...

Another question: is the thickness of the M42 an issue?







Nov 14, 2008 at 07:39 PM
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p.3 #16 · New (used) Rokkor 21mm/2.8


Dim.ka_ wrote:
JimBuchanan - this is just cutted inner part from the whole m42 adapter.

Like here on the right side of the photo you need cut it till the end and you will get this inner part which we will screw in to the original minolta base

http://album.foto.ru:8080/photos/or/41852/69620.jpg


And the aluminum ring will fit over the reduced M42-EOS adapter flange?
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa242/Photomaximum/21_parts.jpg



Nov 14, 2008 at 07:52 PM
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p.3 #17 · New (used) Rokkor 21mm/2.8


Max,

I'd like to try and help you out, but I'm not quite sure where to jump in... I have a procedure, that differs a bit from Dim.ka_.

The basis of my procedure is based on this thread by rgallie:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/689201/0#6187652
I drill and tap holes for setscrews to secure the new EOS flange to the Minolta flange stub that I turn down to a cylinder. I take advantage of the inherent strength of the original flange stalk.

I don't mean to confuse the issue by any means.



Nov 14, 2008 at 08:50 PM
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p.3 #18 · New (used) Rokkor 21mm/2.8


Wow, that seems like a lot of precision work! I think I would need more detail on how you connect the Minolta mount to the M42 adapter. The one guy talks about cutting out the shape of the Minolta mount so it will slide in the M42 mount(which also needs careful milling.) Each Minolta lens looks different so following photos takes some imagination.

I wish this page had more photos and careful step by step instructions like Paul's 58 Rokkor page...
http://www.nanoer.com/md_eos_conversion.html

A friend of mine has a mill...

But I might just put the lens back together again and think about this: like selling the lens and moving on...



Nov 14, 2008 at 09:21 PM
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p.3 #19 · New (used) Rokkor 21mm/2.8


There aren't many people who want to just throw all their cards on the table like that.

On the other hand, the people here are sure making an effort to help. I think it is just because most of us reach a certain threshold of how far we can go on one of these DIY projects. I am constantly pushing my limit further, but I've had my share of "oops" moments along the way.

This conversion is anything but "easy".

In the end, you have to simply consider how much the lens cost you and whether you think there is a risk of loss/damage.

Edited on Nov 14, 2008 at 09:44 PM · View previous versions



Nov 14, 2008 at 09:40 PM
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p.3 #20 · New (used) Rokkor 21mm/2.8


PhotoMaximum wrote:
I wish this page had more photos and careful step by step instructions like Paul's 58 Rokkor page...
http://www.nanoer.com/md_eos_conversion.html


I believe this article was the starting point for the reference I cited.

Max, you can always send it to me. I'll knock it out in a few days, and you can start to challenge the C/Y 21mm myth.



Nov 14, 2008 at 09:43 PM
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