hugodrax wrote:
Why would the force automatic aperture. How are you supposed to control DOF then?
I don't know why. Nonetheless, this does appear to be the predominant opinion. I've only seen one reference by anybody who says aperture can be controlled, and then only in a limited way -- by selecting it prior to the start of video recording. The rest of the references I have found (at least five) say that aperture is automatically controlled by the camera -- not controllable by the photographer.
Obviously with the film there were different Apertures in use for specific effects.
Yes, but when you're shooting at night in low light, wide apertures will automatically be selected by the camera if they're available. I'd much prefer to pick my own apertures for video shooting, and hope the one reference I found indicating it will is correct.
moondigger wrote:
I don't know why. Nonetheless, this does appear to be the predominant opinion. I've only seen one reference by anybody who says aperture can be controlled, and then only in a limited way -- by selecting it prior to the start of video recording. The rest of the references I have found (at least five) say that aperture is automatically controlled by the camera -- not controllable by the photographer.
Yes, but when you're shooting at night in low light, wide apertures will automatically be selected by the camera if they're available. I'd much prefer to pick my own apertures for video shooting, and hope the one reference I found indicating it will is correct....Show more →
Aperture control is a make it or break it for me. I assume I will have full control of aperture with my manual glass, but to not have it with native EF mount lenses would be a kick in the nuts for almost everyone but me. If that's what they did, I might just buy 2 more used 5Ds, in protest.
fraga wrote:
I also was blown away by it.
The quality is just... incredible!
I just don't understand how so many people criticised it.
But one issue does arise, at least for me.
There is hardly any use of AF, if any at all...
While the 5DMII's movie mode is a step ahead of the d90 since the latter does not feature any kind of AF, the movies samples I have seen from the 5D that feature the use of AF show that there is still place for considerable improvement in that area, for it is quite slow and does not focus continuously, like AI-Servo. It's more like one-shot mode.
Possibly the reason behind Laforet not using it in the making of the video....Show more →
It's a first gen product and it's amazing. Don't forget until live view AF is much better you won't see much change.
The video was stunning, but I imagine most indie filmmakers (myself included) would be much happier if Canon allowed a 24p (24 frames per second) mode instead of just 30p.
I had intended to keep my 5D for a long while to come, but this camera is starting to look like a great crossover product for someone who is both a photographer and filmmaker.
Meh, it certainly is a beautiful video but... Knowing me I'd probably have a play a couple of times and then, once faced with the video editing software I would probably give up and never touch it again. Assuming I would even get to that stage and purchase and install the software.
Great feature for the right users though, for sure.
pranic wrote:
The video was stunning, but I imagine most indie filmmakers (myself included) would be much happier if Canon allowed a 24p (24 frames per second) mode instead of just 30p.
I had intended to keep my 5D for a long while to come, but this camera is starting to look like a great crossover product for someone who is both a photographer and filmmaker.
I too first scoffed at the video gimmick feature. Photo purists will never take crappy grainy videos from a camera...then I saw that footage and like most people, were simply blown away. Its actually amazing to hear coworkers who don't really deal too much with cameras or slr technology all of a sudden come up to me and say, did you hear about the slr that takes HD video?
andylaiphoto wrote:
The noise in the dark segments, the lack of dynamic range in one of the overhead city shots as they panned, and some awkward moments when panning with the wide angle lens. Some of it might be due to the compression for web. I'd like to see the full size vid.
Regardless I said I like it and am excited for this new camera.
ever watch a micheal mann movie,Heat,miami vice all shot with available light these samples remind me of that
Allow me to toss my 2 cents into the 5D MKII fray. I just watched the Laforet video and I was impressed (although that doesn't take much). Vincent did a wonderful job showing that the new 5D can do, even when he did it on short notice. After watching the movie I have no doubts that Canon has produced another excellent camera. Will the 5D MKII have flaws? Sure, just like every camera as strength and weakness. Over the last two years since returning to photography (after a 10 year hiatus) I have found the greatest item that needs improvement is the photographer. My current 5D has improved each year, because I put in the effort to improve my skill. In a 1974 Sierra Club book Ansel Adams produced about Landscape Photography; he made the comment that too many photographers spend their time talking about their cameras and not enough time really getting to know them. I think that is partly at the root of the 5D MKII backlash. Just my comments. Cheers, BLR
I have to add something to my previous post. When I said I was impressed by the video, it has little to do with the technicalities. Yep the shallow dof and HD were nice but 90% of what cought my eye was light, subject, composition. Same rules apply.
Not sure it was mentioned aready:
At the end of the clip (credits), while the moon gradually disappears from the FOV its remaining part gets brighter and brighter.
If this was not intended, that proves the exposition cannot be controlled/fixed (only automatic)...
cogitech wrote:
Aperture control is a make it or break it for me. I assume I will have full control of aperture with my manual glass, but to not have it with native EF mount lenses would be a kick in the nuts for almost everyone but me.
Etadam wrote:
At the end of the clip (credits), while the moon gradually disappears from the FOV its remaining part gets brighter and brighter.
If this was not intended, that proves the exposition cannot be controlled/fixed (only automatic)...
Laforet settled the question to my satisfaction on his blog. He was responding to a question from "JRW," who had the same concerns about exposure/aperture control in video mode that we do. Here is the quote, with the most relevant portions emphasized:
"JRW - you can shoot in program mode - camera decides both
you can shoot in Aperture priority - you set the Aperture and the camera chooses between 1/125th of a second or 1/60th of a second - and then it’s main control is the ISO
you can shoot in shutter priority mode- set the shutter speed ( I think only 1′/60th and 1/125th of a second would be option here) and the camera sets the aperture and ISO for you…
In the last two options - at any point you can override the meter - and EV correct the exposure - I believe two stops up or down… once you have a setting you like - you can press the “*” button and the exposure is locked in.
At any point - you can open or close down the camera by rotating the back dial - AS YOU SHOOT…
The point is: there is no manual exposure mode - so you can lock everything down… you CAN lock it down - with the “*” button however - it’s just not as direct and a bit more of a workaround.
You should know that I immediately set my AF to back button autofocus - using the “*” button - and therefore eliminated my “exposure lock” button… and in only one of the shots of the movie was exposure ever an issue… therefore - locking down exposure did not prove a critical as I had assumed…"...Show more →
So it appears our concerns were unfounded. My only remaining concern is that he says the only acceptable shutter speeds are 1/60 or 1/125, whereas I had heard all shutter speeds between 1/30 and 1/125 were available. Still, the ability to shoot in P, Av or Tv and the ability to lock exposure are all present.
Let's put it this way.. Let's wait until CANON tells you. I have heard from a Canon source that regardless of what RG and Laforet have been stating, they are mistaken. Video is AUTO. However, you can set it in AV mode, but once you start recording, it takes over both shutter, ISO and Aperture. EV correction is the workaround.
I hear this from someone we all know from Canon...but posted on a private forum... I hope he is wrong personally.
apdieb wrote:
Let's put it this way.. Let's wait until CANON tells you. I have heard from a Canon source that regardless of what RG and Laforet have been stating, they are mistaken...
I highly doubt that Laforet is mistaken about how he used the camera to shoot the video.
On the other hand, it was a pre-production 5D MkII.
apdieb wrote:
Let's put it this way.. Let's wait until CANON tells you. I have heard from a Canon source that regardless of what RG and Laforet have been stating, they are mistaken.
Are you implying that Laforet doesn't know how he shot his video?
...you can set it in AV mode, but once you start recording, it takes over both shutter, ISO and Aperture. EV correction is the workaround.
Do you mean program shift or exposure compensation? I've seen "EV correction" used to describe both, but they're actually different things.
If "EV correction" means exposure compensation, it is not a "workaround." It will cause under- or over-exposure as it closes down or opens up the aperture. If "EV correction" means program shift, it would perhaps allow some limited amount of control over aperture, as it would compensate with shutter and/or ISO as the aperture changes -- maybe. That's if the three variable implementation is done the right way.
What people really want is the ability to control aperture and exposure. Canon must know this, so I'm thinking Laforet is probably not mistaken when he describes how everything works.
I am implying that a well known Canon Rep stated (on another private forum) Laforet and RG are both mistaken in their blogs. Whether or not that is true is here nor there...Just saying that the rep stated they were mistaken on how it worked.
Someone posted the exact comment from Laforet's blog that is quoted here in this thread. The rep said, he was aware of these statements, but that it was not accurate.
I'll be interested to see who is right. I am hoping Laforet is.
Am I right in thinking that focus during video is either MF or slow Contrast Focus INCLUDING if you want to shoot a still mid videoing? That might put a dampner on those who think that this might change the face of wedding photography - forget not having a new AF system, if they are shooting video and stills it's a manual focusing game, not fun with moving subjects and shallow DOF. I still think it's more a movie camera (with all the quality that implies) than a video camera.
