But the part where the camera is mounted on the hood of the SUV and he's driving around - that should have caused some of that shake we saw in the D90 video.
I apologize if this was covered in the 5D II master thread, but wading through 75 pages of posts to find it fills me with ennui.
Does anybody know what exposure controls are available in video mode? I have seen some references that claim aperture, shutter and ISO are all automatic, not controllable by the photographer. And I have seen one reference which claims that aperture can be fixed by the photographer prior to recording but that shutter and ISO are still chosen by the camera.
My chest still hurts where my jaw dropping struck it!
This is truly mind-blowing in my opinion. When I first heard, video was a feature, I thought, oh yeah, crappy video is supposed to impress me. After seeing this clip, I'm awed and bow to the feet of Canon for their technology!
I've been wanting a 5D for a couple years and have been waiting for the replacement and have been concerned what direction they would take. Now I know! I just hope the IQ is as good as the 5D and hopefully better!
moondigger wrote:
I apologize if this was covered in the 5D II master thread, but wading through 75 pages of posts to find it fills me with ennui.
Does anybody know what exposure controls are available in video mode? I have seen some references that claim aperture, shutter and ISO are all automatic, not controllable by the photographer. And I have seen one reference which claims that aperture can be fixed by the photographer prior to recording but that shutter and ISO are still chosen by the camera.
Anybody know for sure?
I don't know for sure about ISO and shutter. What I do know is that the "shutter" would have to be at least 1/30th of a second in order to capture 29.97 fps.
Also, Laforet used an EOS converted FD lens in the video, which tells me that lenses with manual-only aperture control work with this system. This has me excited to shoot videos with all my Alt. glass
cogitech wrote:
I don't know for sure about ISO and shutter. What I do know is that the "shutter" would have to be at least 1/30th of a second in order to capture 29.97 fps.
Yes, from what I've been able to glean so far the shutter range is 1/30 to 1/125. What I don't know is whether it can be set by the photographer or not. More importantly, I think manual control of aperture is an important feature for those who want to experiment with DOF. I'd almost be happy with auto shutter and auto ISO if only the aperture could be manually controlled.
Also, Laforet used an EOS converted FD lens in the video, which tells me that lenses with manual-only aperture control work with this system. This has me excited to shoot videos with all my Alt. glass
Good point -- I had read that (about Laforet using an FD 7.5 mm lens), which gives hope that the camera may allow manual control over aperture on regular EF-mount lenses. If it doesn't, I guess that means I'll have to shoot with my Zuikos instead for certain shots.
I haven't read all of the replies...but the one thing that I heard... You cannot control shutter/Aperture, etc while in video mode. In other words, it cannot be exposed manually other than exposure compensation. That in and of itself is disappointing, but I am still very impressed by it.
I also heard that if you want to force shallow DOF, it can be done by EC and tricking the camera to open up...
Very impressive. I was one who kind of thought video in a DSLR would likely be rather gimmicky, but seeing the way its executed in the 5DII, it's incredible. I don't know how much I'd get into video, but for short, extremely high quality clips, it'd be amazing.
apdieb wrote:
I haven't read all of the replies...but the one thing that I heard... You cannot control shutter/Aperture, etc while in video mode. In other words, it cannot be exposed manually other than exposure compensation.
I have seen some references that claim aperture, shutter and ISO are all automatic, not controllable by the photographer. And I have seen one reference which claims that aperture can be fixed by the photographer prior to recording but that shutter and ISO are still chosen by the camera. Nobody (yet) seems to know for sure.
I also heard that if you want to force shallow DOF, it can be done by EC and tricking the camera to open up...
That doesn't really solve the problem, as using EC to open up the aperture will also cause overexposure. The simple solution would be to allow manual control of aperture, with the camera selecting a shutter and ISO to allow correct exposure.
moondigger wrote:
That doesn't really solve the problem, as using EC to open up the aperture will also cause overexposure. The simple solution would be to allow manual control of aperture, with the camera selecting a shutter and ISO to allow correct exposure.
And the fact that Laforet used a purely manual lens for some of the shooting would indicate that the camera does indeed only rely on shutter speed and ISO in order to determine the exposure.
cogitech wrote:
And the fact that Laforet used a purely manual lens for some of the shooting would indicate that the camera does indeed only rely on shutter speed and ISO in order to determine the exposure.
Not necessarily. It may simply be that because the lens was not communicating a range of acceptable aperture values to the camera, the camera was forced to only use ISO and shutter to control exposure. If so, then a lens which does offer automatic aperture control will automatically have that figured into the exposure algorithm.
In other words, just because it's technically possible for the camera to determine exposure sans aperture control with manual-only lenses does not mean that the camera will allow manual aperture control with lenses that support automatic control -- meaning all Canon EF lenses.
moondigger wrote:
Not necessarily. It may simply be that because the lens was not communicating a range of acceptable aperture values to the camera, the camera was forced to only use ISO and shutter to control exposure. If so, then a lens which does offer automatic aperture control will automatically have that figured into the exposure algorithm.
In other words, just because it's technically possible for the camera to determine exposure sans aperture control with manual-only lenses does not mean that the camera will allow manual aperture control with lenses that support automatic control -- meaning all Canon EF lenses.
PrecisionPhoto wrote:
That's really no help in SEEING IT
I have the video on my hard drive at home. If you want, I can stick it on my server later and then you can just download it and watch it in VLC, without any hickups, etc. PM me if interested.
Why would the force automatic aperture. How are you supposed to control DOF then? Obviously with the film there were different Apertures in use for specific effects. Or is this an artificial limitation to prevent competition with high end gear?
I have messed around with consumer grade video using a small Panasonic 3CCD digital camcorder. I use Final Cut Express to edit and its lots of fun. There are countless online bulletin boards devoted to the amateur craft of creating digital movies.
Many of these sites focus on one of the major "creative" issues with digital movie making: the footage does not look like motion pictures you see on the big movie screen. The look is too clean and everything is in focus with huge depth of field. Lots of guys have gone to then ends of the earth to modify their digital camcorder system to get "the film look" and shallow depth of field. There is a huge cottage industry of weird gadgets as well as tons of DIY plans to achieve this kind of result. Few of these are easy or work that well. Some of these gizmos use 35mm film lenses, screens, extension tubes and rotating discs. But like I said there is tons of interest in getting this look.
To my eye the video capability of this camera will be a watershed moment. Its now possible to use all kinds of easy to mount 35mm Canon lenses to get all kinds of "looks" while capturing video footage. Even tilt/shift lenses! Once this camera is out it is possible that a good portion of sales might come from the video crowd.
Of course the sound is not easy to capture with this camera but getting sound requires a lot of effort anyway. When shooting video it is always much easier to get "pleasing" footage than it is to get decent sound. Even amateurs sometimes spend more on the sound capture than they do on the video.
My bet is that a year from now many of the entries at the short film festivals will all have the "Canon 5D II look"...
