mfurman wrote:
I still do not really know what you wanted. Do you mean that you would have been happy to see a 12 MPixel 5D mkII? If you say that at the time of 30D you were "barely starting your photography journey", what are your current expectations as a photographer? Do you realize how much you would have been paying for a 21 Mpixel camera just a few months ago?
But how many of us will actually make full usage of that full 21 megapixels? For a start it's going to drastically increase the number of times we need to swap cards during a days shoot, it's going to put additional strain on computer processing power, and storage. Sure it might be nice to have and might save a few badly composed shots, but I just don't see megapixels as the be all and end all, not for what is essentially a semi pro/advanced amateur camera, Canon has gone "TADA! Look....big number, be impressed!" and a lot of us aren't.
To answer your question, yes, I would have been happy with it staying at 12.8 megapixels, combine that with native 6400, weather sealing (I can't stop working just because the rain comes down) and a beefed up AF and I, and I suspect 90% of the "whingers", would have been happy.
Chris Beaumont wrote:
... and I suspect 90% of the "whingers", would have been happy.
You're kidding.
The fact that people can complain in such vociferous tones about a camera that has been released for ONE DAY and has not even been held yet, let alone properly tested shows what a pointless mouthpiece the internet can be.
It very simple, if the camera doesn't suit you, then don't buy it. Canon clearly thought this was the way to go and they went, if it doesn't sell they will have been wrong, but it will sell, they all do.
As for 21 meg, it's just fantastic, and if you don't want it there's 10 meg sRAW, so perhaps Canon did consider your needs after all.
I know people are getting over emotional about a new camera, hell my girlfriend laughed at me yesterday because of how disappointed I am, but that's the word, disappointed, not angry, just disappointed at how much of a financial kicking I'm going to have to take in order to get a small body with weather sealing and an AF point or two that works in low light that isn't dead smack in the centre.
I'm not one to storm around saying "well f*@k Canon, I'm going to NIKON" in a fit of hystrionics, I fully appreciate that there are obviously tens of thousands of people who use their camera in less extremes of weather than I do that LOVE this upgrade, and will make full use of it, it's just incredibly frustrating that Canon are holding a hand over their eyes and going "la la la la la la la....can't see you" about the D700.
I will be renting one before selling all my lenses, and I'm sure it'll be a superb camera and take great photos, it's just the little details like being paranoid about how large the repair bill is going to be if I get some drizzel on it, it's not like we live in the perfect climate or anything
Chris Beaumont wrote:
Actually, if Canon had put in the 1series AF and weather sealing and all the other feature BUT left it at 12MP people would have been screaming that they no longer had any advantage over Nikon, that the Sony had 24MP, blah, blah, blah...
Chris Beaumont wrote:
I will be renting one before selling all my lenses, and I'm sure it'll be a superb camera and take great photos, it's just the little details like being paranoid about how large the repair bill is going to be if I get some drizzel on it, it's not like we live in the perfect climate or anything
There is a degree of paranoia there Chris I have used all of the three 5D's I've owned in allsorts of weather and never had a problem, the new one has better seals than that.
WADR you are making issues more important than they may really be here, as are many others. The grass is always greener over at Nikon, but for one, I still wouldn't change
it's just the little details like being paranoid about how large the repair bill is going to be if I get some drizzel on it.
Really there is a lot of EOSfun in all these complaints I find your expression of paranoia feelings a great example. I am sure a lot of lurkers (and posters) here feel like listening to some beautiful melodramatic concert of Grieg (just to mention one). Keep the whining and nagging coming. We like the sound of 'Ase's Tod', even though we have a funky jazzy tune in our own heads
The 5DII as an inspiration for com-plainers ... ..posers.
There is definately a degree of paranoia I know, but I'd like to be ASSURED, rather than keeping my fingers crossed, that if it starts raining during the formals, I'm not going to have a £2200 paperweight!
Just for the record I've taken a 30D (ie no environmental sealing at all) out for hours in the most torrential rain to photograph lightenings (the 70s jet version) at Bruntingthorpe, with no ill effect what-so-ever, and yes the 5DII will probably eat that kind of thing for breakfast, but the point is that IF a stray bit of water does get through to something vital, that's a lot of money down the drain, because I can't see Canon going "our bad, have another one"
Chris Beaumont wrote:
There is definately a degree of paranoia I know, but I'd like to be ASSURED, rather than keeping my fingers crossed, that if it starts raining during the formals, I'm not going to have a £2200 paperweight!
Just for the record I've taken a 30D (ie no environmental sealing at all) out for hours in the most torrential rain to photograph lightenings (the 70s jet version) at Bruntingthorpe, with no ill effect what-so-ever, and yes the 5DII will probably eat that kind of thing for breakfast, but the point is that IF a stray bit of water does get through to something vital, that's a lot of money down the drain, because I can't see Canon going "our bad, have another one" ...Show more →
Then you simply have to buy a properly weathersealed camera.
Looks like a 1-series or a move to Nikon are your only options.
Unfortunately you are right, and by the time I factor in depreciation of my lenses and bodies it's a pretty much dead heat between staying with Canon and getting a 1DIII or moving to Nikon with a D700 and restocking with lenses, I was just hoping the 5DII would answer the D700 and make all my dreams come true.
*sigh* I suppose there are worse quandries to be in
As far as I understand 5D II project was taken back to the drawing boards
a year or so ago because it wasn't good enough then to face the new D700...
So after 3 years of development Canon decided to leave the main weak points,
the ones most everybody wanted to update first... unchanged.
This is beyond my understanding. And then the camera was so overhyped
we "could" expect at least some slight improvements in the AF area...
The fanboist approach now, "oh it's an amazing camera, shut up!" is more
childish than any understandable concerns about the company's lack of judgment.
If it wasn't for a new Canon version of Distagon 21mm (and its full electronics
vs manual metering in Nikon version), I'd be gone by now.
I see much more chances for Nikon to update their line of primes and coming
up with stuff people actually want than Canon ever bringing the famous 3D camera...
snowboarder wrote:
As far as I understand 5D II project was taken back to the drawing boards a year or so ago because it wasn't good enough then to face the new D700.
So after 3 years of development Canon decided to leave the main weak points, the ones most everybody wanted to update first... unchanged. This is beyond my understanding.
You may want to check your sources. The D700 was announced only 10 weeks ago, on July 1.
I think Snowboarder is saying that Canon knew that Nikon was working on the D700 as long ago as a year, that I find hard to believe, maybe in April which is when we all expected the 5DII, and even then it was probably too late to do anything much except put a higher MP sensor in it......oh no wait....
if u don't like go an get a nikon. if the noise pattern holds true to form like the 5D mkI with 21 Mpix resolution plus the other goodies the 5D mkII will be a devastating tool (in the right hands). get over it, learn to use the tool in other words improve your individual photography skills. sounds like a bunch of i want an autonomous camera whinnies to me. oh i can't trust my skill set to get the shot so i must have the camera do it for me whiners.
snowboarder:
The fanboist approach now, "oh it's an amazing camera, shut up!" is more childish than any understandable concerns about the company's lack of judgment. If it wasn't for a new Canon version of Distagon 21mm (and its full electronics vs manual metering in Nikon version), I'd be gone by now.
It is a great camera for only $2700! I would have been very surprised if they stayed at the current pixel level and improved focusing. Canon makes cameras for different market segments. This is their judgment of the market and I think , they are right. EOS 5D mkII is not a camera for sport and very demanding (environment wise) shooting. If you do not accept it, you should find another company.
Will Patterson wrote:
Thanks for making a thread about it.
Assuming you are being sarcastic Will I am not sure I understand why you would feel the need to be so. My point was that as I read thru the initial barrage of threads about the new release it seemed to me that the clear majority of comments were negative. Since I have "lived" through a number of new releases on the board I merely commented that this release seemed to generate more complaints than any other release I remember.
R.H. Johnson:
if u don't like go an get a nikon. if the noise pattern holds true to form like the 5D mkI with 21 Mpix resolution plus the other goodies the 5D mkII will be a devastating tool
I find your expression of paranoia feelings a great example. I am sure a lot of lurkers (and posters) here feel like listening to some beautiful melodramatic concert of Grieg (just to mention one). Keep the whining and nagging coming. We like the sound of 'Ase's Tod', even though we have a funky jazzy tune in our own heads 