Chris Beaumont wrote:
Ocean7, I thought you'd been defending the camera all day ? I'm one of the "bitchers and moaners" that wanted a riposte to the D700 and couldn't give a stuff if it stayed at 13MP
I am more trying to defend FM as it was some time ago.
I can't personally see what *else* an updated *5D* was going to give, except what it did.
Yes, there are many things others would *like* and Nikon is now making some spankingly good cameras, but this is the *5D* upgrade, and we got pixels, self-cleaning, LCD screen, liveview, menu, modes, ISO's blah blah etc (and the ubiquitous video, for good or bad)
It's what I personally expected more or less. It will take exceedingly good pictures, isn't that the point after all?
According to the one poll here, over 65% of folks have a favorable initial opinion, and that's from the forum folks only. Since this group doesn't even make up a significant portion of the target market for the 5D II, I'd say Canon has to be very pleased with the response thus far.
If a potential buyer walks into a store and looks at the D700 & 5D II, the 5D II will win in just about every category, except the # of AF points & weather sealing. I don't care or need 51 AF points or weather sealing so I'll take my $400+ savings and be a happy camper.
You're right, it does take exceedingly good pictures (the ISO6400 I've just seen, despite being underexposed, is gorgeous) but so does the 5D MK 1! The game has moved along a lot in the last year, I think a lot of us are frustrated at not having a product competitive with what we know others can do, and Canon could do if they so desired.
You're right, it does take exceedingly good pictures (the ISO6400 I've just seen, despite being underexposed, is gorgeous) but so does the 5D MK 1! The game has moved along a lot in the last year, I think a lot of us are frustrated at not having a product competitive with what we know others can do, and Canon could do if they so desired.
Chris
Moved along how Chris?
It lacks proper weathersealing and a high FPS, but then it's not a sport camera, other than that it's pretty good spec I'd say, it has many of the new ISO features, memories for settings allsorts.
All the whiners that said Canon "must" match all the Nikon features in this upgrade are wishing for something that simply does NOT need to happen for Canon to sell boatloads of this camera.
Actually it's the other way around, Nikon MUST have the extra features in order to sell cameras because they cannot match the image quality of Canon's best DSLR's.
Both of these companies are keeping it the way it must be, at least for now,
there are no directly competing models.
georgefun99 wrote:
All the whiners that said Canon "must" match all the Nikon features in this upgrade are wishing for something that simply does NOT need to happen for Canon to sell boatloads of this camera.
Actually it's the other way around, Nikon MUST have the extra features in order to sell cameras because they cannot match the image quality of Canon's best DSLR's.
Both of these companies are keeping it the way it must be, at least for now,
there are no directly competing models.
The 5Dmk2 is an excellent camera but I also was hoping for more of a D700 class competitor, i.e. a cut down 1Dmk3, an all-purpose do-it-all camera. I am sure Canon could produce it, they choose not to.
My ideal 5dmk2
12 to 16 megapixels ( sRaw mode 6-8)
5+ fps
pro-AF (or close to, at least on centre point)
faster shutter response and shorter blackout time
bigger RAW buffer
dual CF slots
For landscape, travel, studio work the 5dmk2 is an excellent product, and the low light capabilities are tremendous (see the ISO6400 sample).
Price is a bit high at the moment but I expect this will fall after initial shipments.
12 to 16 megapixels ( sRaw mode 6-8)
5+ fps
pro-AF (or close to, at least on centre point)
faster shutter response and shorter blackout time
bigger RAW buffer
dual CF slots"
Sean,
You've just about described the 50D. That's about £1,100 you just saved
dhphoto wrote:
I can't personally see what *else* an updated *5D* was going to give, except what it did.
David, how does the center point AF of the 5D compare to that of the 1-series in one-shot mode? IIRC, you have expierence with both camera's. I'm asking because I'd like to get an idea how the center AF of the 5DII will compare to the center AF of my 1D classic (both one shot mode).
12 to 16 megapixels ( sRaw mode 6-8)
5+ fps
pro-AF (or close to, at least on centre point)
faster shutter response and shorter blackout time
bigger RAW buffer
dual CF slots"
Sean,
You've just about described the 50D. That's about £1,100 you just saved
Yes exactly, it's just not full frame.
I love the IQ from my (two) 5Ds, but I do wish for a more responsive FF body positioned in the line where the EOS-3 or 1V were. Some say the D700 is that camera, and if they can justify the switch to Nikon, then fine for them. My guess is we should all wait to see how the new camera feels and performs first.
I was disappointed with the IQ and AF of the 40D compared to the 5D the last time I considered going back to the small format. But perhaps the 50D is worth another look...
Chris Beaumont:
Canon deserve everything they get after all the "future of photography" hype.
I still do not really know what you wanted. Do you mean that you would have been happy to see a 12 MPixel 5D mkII? If you say that at the time of 30D you were "barely starting your photography journey", what are your current expectations as a photographer? Do you realize how much you would have been paying for a 21 Mpixel camera just a few months ago?
Will Patterson wrote:
Thanks for making a thread about it.
curious as to how many of your post are you posting in a thread you dont like just saying this thread is stupid, why did you make it blah blah.
I think if they would have addressed the AF system to something new that was between the 1D and 50D there would be ALOT less issue. They should have atleast made it 5fps as well.
canon apparently targeted three types of photographers with this camera:
1. landscapers
2. studio photogs
3. enthusiasts who don't require a faster/better built body
...i would assume, because canon thought this would produce the most revenue -- and they're covering the photographing populous pretty well: for non-controlled-conditions professionals, you have the 1-series' with their build quality and features, for birders you have the 50D (and 1DIII) for reach and speed, and for budget enthusiasts you have the drebel series, with its bang for the buck 450D.
now, canon covers the three aforementioned groups (1.-3.) of photogs with the 5DMkII. canon isn't* in the business to palliate our every wish. they're there to offer just enough product to make us part with our hard-earned euros.
lexvo wrote:
David, how does the center point AF of the 5D compare to that of the 1-series in one-shot mode? IIRC, you have expierence with both camera's. I'm asking because I'd like to get an idea how the center AF of the 5DII will compare to the center AF of my 1D classic (both one shot mode).
It's absolutely fine. I use the centre AF for events (with focusing on the *) to ensure I'm focused on what I want and it's perfect.
You can have too many focusing points IMHO and with the 1-series I'm often using the centre one so whats the difference?
