EltonTeng wrote:
Will there be an "undo" function?
I really wanted to like Bibble, except for the undo and a few other UI quirks I couldn't get used to over three separate trials. NN is a great tool for a raw converter. The batch speed is also outstanding.
I just plunked down some $$$ for LR2 boxed version that I can return in case B5 works out.
Not just undo, but a complete history that you can browse and jump back and forth in. All non-destructive, completely undoable editing, across layers!
cogitech wrote:
Not just undo, but a complete history that you can browse and jump back and forth in. All non-destructive, completely undoable editing, across layers!
That is awesome. I may be able to return the LR or just sell it locally.
Phil Askey's quote was based on a Nikon D300 file. Being a newish DSLR it could just be that Bibble did a better job in their initial support for that camera. RAW processing results are very camera dependent. I didn't think the color was as good as some others for my SLR/c files.
cogitech wrote:
You haven't tried it in a while then. Phil Askey of DPReview states: “The image with the most resolution and fewest artifacts appears to be that produced by Bibble Pro”.
Being a major upgrade, from a fairly small company, it wouldn't be a surprise to see some bugs in the initial release. Early adopters may end up being beta testers. even their V4 has it's quirks on some hardware.
I'm looking forward to trying it. I'm splitting my RAW processing between DPP and ACR, I don't like the way ACR handles color but I like the Recovery, Fill Light, Clarity, and Vibrance sliders. It also has a spectacular up-res engine, so I can get great 12×18 inkjet prints at 344 dpi from my 1DsII.
DPP is shot full of weaknesses, but it's a great little engine to process for the web. Exposure adjustment is awkward. Sharpening tools are terrific.
I downloaded Bibble 4 for try-out, liked the way it handled files, liked everything about it, except it lacked any sort of up-res. I tried Fred's up-res plug-in for PS, it was OK but not the equal of ACR.
Bibble seems to be able to do really well with the Kodak SLRn/SLRc, 5D, 1Ds, 30D/40D, and the Olympus D-SLR's. I recently started using it to process the D300 files and agree with how it has the ability to get the most out of the images with the least amount of effort.
Version 4.10 isn't too shabby... does a better job for me than CS or the OEM software packages. And I found 4.10 to be a pretty good upgrade from 4.9.....I am sure version 5 will be better.
Kit Laughlin wrote:
Does it work on the Mac OS 10.5? Occasionally, I get so sick of CS3 (Bridge, mostly) I would be happy to try anything!
All versions of Bibble are released for Windows, OSX and Linux. I can't imagine that changing in Bibble 5. In fact, they are adding 64 bit builds for all OSs this time around as well. The demo videos show this, as the Windows system they are using has 16GB of RAM.
Kit Laughlin wrote:
Re. uprezzing: we use Genuine Fractals here and are 100% happy with it. Definitely works better than resizing from within CS3, IMHO.
Yeah, I'm not all that worried about Bibble doing uprezzing either, as I am perfectly happy with Fred's PS resize plugins. On the other hand, if Bibble 5s uprezzing is good, then that'll be one less step for me.
I must be doing something wrong. I tried browsing a folder of images in v4, and all I see is 20 pictures of a cat (not my images), and I can't seem to open any of the images. I'm probably doing something wrong, but I usually master a whole program without any help from a manual (e.g. Photoshop, Lightroom) so I wouldn't call this an intuitive interface.
foto-z wrote:
I must be doing something wrong. I tried browsing a folder of images in v4, and all I see is 20 pictures of a cat (not my images), and I can't seem to open any of the images. I'm probably doing something wrong, but I usually master a whole program without any help from a manual (e.g. Photoshop, Lightroom) so I wouldn't call this an intuitive interface.
No, it isn't an intuitive interface. That is one of the main issues with B4. This is why I said wait for B5.
Having said that, I've been using it for years with no problem at all.
What kind of files are you browsing? (format, Camera, etc.)
foto-z wrote:
Mine was not exactly converted, but anyway I hope for full DNG support in future.
If your camera writes native DNG files and B4 can't open them, I encourage you to contact the developers via the Bibble Forum and make a request. They pride themselves on compatibility, but non-native (generic) DNGs introduce a bunch of issues for them.
Kit Laughlin wrote:
Re. uprezzing: we use Genuine Fractals here and are 100% happy with it. Definitely works better than resizing from within CS3, IMHO.
Kit,
We only use upres from within ACR, and it will only upres RAW files from the 1DsII one step of 23%. If you need something between 1% and 23%, you have to upres to 23% and then downres in Photoshop. Hardly optimal, but it has proved effective, and, of course, the capability is provided within the price of PS - BTW, we do not use bicubic sharper in PS when downrezzing -
We just take the 23% step as acceptable, and it produces a very fine 12×18" image at 344 dpi for the inkjet -
We tried the trial version of Bibble and ran some tests. We made our Bibble adjustments and converted to .tif, then uprezzed using Fred's plug-in and bicubic smoother in PS. The original we uprezzed in ACR was superior to both uprezzed tiffs. In this sort of comparison, there's only first place and "all other" - we use PhotoKit Sharpener for sharpening in PS.
We absolutely preferred Bibble to both ACR and DPP for RAW processing - hope to see upres in the new Bibble -
