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Marc Adamus
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Nikon 14-24 on 1Ds3 + filters question


OK, so all of you probably realize by now the new Nikon 14-24 f/2.8 G is the best performing ultra-wide zoom ever made. Most of you have also probably heard that this lens can now be adapted to fit many Canon bodies, including the 1Ds3, which I presently use.
For as long as I've owned Canon I've cursed their ultra-wide lens selection, including the 16-35 f/2.8 II, which I now have as my primary zoom. Once I heard the Nikon could be adapted to fit the 1Ds3, I figured that might be the solution I've been waiting for except for one MAJOR problem - filters. The 14-24, as I'm sure you're aware, is wholely incompatable with any filters - no ring mount or gelatin slots.
I'm not giving up though. The 14-24 is practically useless to me if I can't even get a polarizer on there. So I started thinking of solutions.... I hand hold my graduated filters in front of my lens at the present time.....hmmmm....so why wouldn't I be able to hand-hold an extra large grad, say 100mm+ (the lens is 98mm at the front element) in front of the bulbous front element? Obviously, if the flat grad (or a polarizer of similar size for that matter) has to be held, say, 20mm in front of the lens' front element, then such things as reflections might be a problem in some situations where light is behind the photographer, but I just can't see any reason why this would be prohibitive in all situations.
It seems to me, without doing any testing at all on the subject, that if one was to acquire large enough filters to hold in front of the lens the problem of having no front filter mount and a bulbous front element could be averted. So what am I missing? That's what I'm asking here: Why else would this not work?



Sep 16, 2008 at 11:55 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Nikon 14-24 on 1Ds3 + filters question


I do the holding the filter infront of the lens thing with my Sigma 12-24 which also has a bulbous front element, works fine.


Sep 16, 2008 at 12:18 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Nikon 14-24 on 1Ds3 + filters question


Marc, not to hijack your thread, but which adapter did you use to get the 14-24 on your 1Ds3? Does it allow electronic info to be shared, or just a mount adapter?


Sep 16, 2008 at 12:21 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Nikon 14-24 on 1Ds3 + filters question


The fascination and romance with the Nikon 14-24 is dying because of the release of the ZE lenses .... and that's probably why you are not getting a good response. Attention has now shifted to the Zeiss ZE lenses .... especially the 21/2.8 Distagon which I believe will be a killer lens!


Sep 16, 2008 at 12:26 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Nikon 14-24 on 1Ds3 + filters question


sboerup wrote:
Marc, not to hijack your thread, but which adapter did you use to get the 14-24 on your 1Ds3? Does it allow electronic info to be shared, or just a mount adapter?



http://www.16-9.net/nikon_g/



Sep 16, 2008 at 12:26 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Nikon 14-24 on 1Ds3 + filters question


bobbytan wrote:
The fascination and romance with the Nikon 14-24 is dying because of the release of the ZE lenses .... and that's probably why you are not getting a good response. Attention has now shifted to the Zeiss ZE lenses .... especially the 21/2.8 Distagon which I believe will be a killer lens!


Primes are practically useless to me. Almost all of my photography is very hiking and backpacking intensive, and requires me to keep gear at a minimum. I can't justify having 6-8 different primes to cover the range I need, nor is 21mm wide enough for many of the perspectives I like to shoot. 3 lenses and a 1Ds III is already a ton to carry around when one's base pack weight can already be 30-50 pounds. I want to cover the 14-200 range in three lenses, tops.



Sep 16, 2008 at 12:31 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Nikon 14-24 on 1Ds3 + filters question


Marc, try using oversized rubber bands on large (X pro or equivalent) sized filters... snugly mount the filter against the built in hood, with the rubber band(s) wrapping the top and bottom portion of the filter, around the back of the camera body. There should be enough tension and give to position it where you like and make changes. Ive done this with the 14mm mkII. Not the most convenient or elegant thing ever, but it does work. I read somewhere Lee Filters (?) plant to introduce a filter folder for the nikon, but don't quote me as I cant site where I read that.


Sep 16, 2008 at 12:42 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Nikon 14-24 on 1Ds3 + filters question


bobbytan wrote:
The fascination and romance with the Nikon 14-24 is dying because of the release of the ZE lenses .... and that's probably why you are not getting a good response. Attention has now shifted to the Zeiss ZE lenses .... especially the 21/2.8 Distagon which I believe will be a killer lens!


So...errr.... good as it may be - how do I use that 21/2.8 to take a wide angle 14mm shot ?

It's why I never understood people saying buy this or that lens, and then buy the 50/1.4 (or 1.8) for low light!! What if the low light subject is not suitable for 50mm Crazy.

A 21mm prime lens may be good, but it's only 21mm, nothing more, nothing less. I've done the prime route, had about 9 or 10 of them. Sold almost all of them.




Sep 16, 2008 at 12:46 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Nikon 14-24 on 1Ds3 + filters question


Well you back up a bit or use a 14mm lens, zoom or prime. Some people like primes alot, I'm one of them... your 50mm comparison works equally if one were to say '24-70 2.8 is great, but what if the shot calls for 1.4?' you can get 'screwed' either way.


Sep 16, 2008 at 12:53 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Nikon 14-24 on 1Ds3 + filters question


You're likely going to have all sorts of glare problems because of all the light getting in through the sides of the hood. I know that I had problems with this when I was using a grad in the more outside slots of the holder. You may just need to rely on blending techniques.

If it wasn't for the filter issue, I would likely be using the nikon lens as well.



Sep 16, 2008 at 01:09 PM
Marc Adamus
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Nikon 14-24 on 1Ds3 + filters question


Ben Horne wrote:
You're likely going to have all sorts of glare problems because of all the light getting in through the sides of the hood. I know that I had problems with this when I was using a grad in the more outside slots of the holder. You may just need to rely on blending techniques.

If it wasn't for the filter issue, I would likely be using the nikon lens as well.



Depends on how big the filter is and how the light is hitting it though. I'm just going to have to do a lot of testing of this. I have can blend at times, but the loss of a polarizer would be too incovienent.



Sep 16, 2008 at 01:31 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Nikon 14-24 on 1Ds3 + filters question


Marc Adamus wrote:
Depends on how big the filter is and how the light is hitting it though. I'm just going to have to do a lot of testing of this. I have can blend at times, but the loss of a polarizer would be too incovienent.


I agree with you about the polarizer for sure. I find myself using it quite a bit on the 16-35mm II that I'm currently using. I do find myself doing a lot of focus bracketing and recomposing the shots afterwards --- which helps a bit with the corners on the 16-35mm.

In order for a grad to be big enough to not have a big issue with placement, I would be worried about trying to keep that grad in one piece. The 4x6 grads are big enough as is. I have a limited area to store them in the pack due to the size.

It would be awesome if we had mini grads that could be placed in a drop-in gel holder (akin to the 300 2.8), then just rotate the entire lens on a swiveling mount. Maybe that's just dreaming. Grads the size of a CF card sure would be sweet though.



Sep 16, 2008 at 01:39 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Nikon 14-24 on 1Ds3 + filters question


Point taken. I went from primes to zooms, and I am going back to primes. The only zoom I own is the 24-70L .... and if Canon comes out with a 24/1.4L Mk II, I may get this and sell off my 24-70L. But I am seriously lusting for the ZE 21/2.8 Distagon. I had 2 of the older versions before.

I don't do any hiking, so portability and flexibility is not an issue for me.

DaveEP wrote:
So...errr.... good as it may be - how do I use that 21/2.8 to take a wide angle 14mm shot ?

It's why I never understood people saying buy this or that lens, and then buy the 50/1.4 (or 1.8) for low light!! What if the low light subject is not suitable for 50mm Crazy.

A 21mm prime lens may be good, but it's only 21mm, nothing more, nothing less. I've done the prime route, had about 9 or 10 of them. Sold almost all of them.





Sep 16, 2008 at 01:40 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Nikon 14-24 on 1Ds3 + filters question


Here you can find the solution to a simular problem.http://www.dslr.co.uk/x-pro_filter_on_12-24/index.htm The sigma 12-24 also has a bulbous front element. Solution seems a lot of work though. Connecting a circular polarizer will be a lot more difficult......maybe a polarizer as big as the inner diameter of the lenshood could work if you could squeeze it in place. Could be that its not wide enough at the 14mm end.


Solution for polarizer (same photographer)

http://www.dslr.co.uk/filters_on_sigma_12-24/index.htm

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Sep 16, 2008 at 03:26 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Nikon 14-24 on 1Ds3 + filters question


On a tripod it should be easy to figure out ways to both position a filter and properly shade the lens. Another choice is to choose not to use grad nd but do PS blending for this lens.

Since aspherical wides became less expensive to make people have found a lot of ways to solve the filter problem. I would rather do a little more work than use Canon's crappy wide zooms.

When I was first shooting large format I posted a expensive plan I had to shade a wide lens I had purchased. An experienced LF photog wrote back and said "I just use my hat".

I think a solution of rubber bands or gaffers tape or whatever fits the "I just use my hat" philosophy well.



Sep 16, 2008 at 03:34 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Nikon 14-24 on 1Ds3 + filters question


Check this out, Marc.

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/685082/0#6146941

Edited to correct spelling

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Sep 24, 2008 at 11:33 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Nikon 14-24 on 1Ds3 + filters question


Ben Horne wrote:
You're likely going to have all sorts of glare problems because of all the light getting in through the sides of the hood. I know that I had problems with this when I was using a grad in the more outside slots of the holder. You may just need to rely on blending techniques.

If it wasn't for the filter issue, I would likely be using the nikon lens as well.

if it was't for the filter issue, this lens alone (after going through my 1DIII issues), would have pushed me to the dark side.



Sep 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Nikon 14-24 on 1Ds3 + filters question


I was also considering the Zeiss - even though it isn't as wide as I want or will need. Given that the Nikon is probably cheaper then what the Zeiss will be, is more versatile and is supposedly one of the sharpest ultra-wides ever produced, this may be a better option.

I'd love to hear from other canon users who have used the lens and adapter and their experience with the combo.

Does the adapter have to be attached to the lens permanently



Sep 24, 2008 at 10:42 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Nikon 14-24 on 1Ds3 + filters question


Hi Khurram1,

I am not even a Canon shooter but I'll try to answer your questions (I followed the Husband adapter saga briefly).

The 14-24 is really a better option... its like primes at every focal length, and cheaper than some Ziess primes.

You do not have to permanently attach the adapter, but you'll have a hard time finding one!



Sep 24, 2008 at 10:56 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Nikon 14-24 on 1Ds3 + filters question


Zeiss verses Nikkor IS a thread hijack. And, despite the Zeiss release I am still very interested in using my 14-24 on my 1Ds Mk III (if only because 14mm is much wider than 21mm) although I feel less need for a CPl.


Sep 25, 2008 at 11:47 AM
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