Usually US pricing is not the exact Euro exchange rate...we usually get a break. My bet would be $1600-$1700 for the 21/2.8, and the same prices as the current 50 f/1.4 and 85 f/1.4 for ZF mount.
Considering Contax 21/2.8's usually sel for $2600, I agree...there's going to be a firestorm sale of a lot of those.
Will I love my old Zeiss 21/2.8 tomorrow - I think so. But I am really looking forward to the Zeiss 50/1.4, I have never fallen in love with my Canon 50/1.4. Making a lens at 1.4 is a lot easier than a 1.2, so the Zeiss 50 and 85 may be sharper with better micro contrast than the Canon 1.2s, for those who do not need F1.2.
Both my old C/Y Zeiss 50 f/1.4 and 85 f/1.4 are superb lenses and if the new ones are optically as good with all the other benefits I'll be stoked. Hopefull the new 21 is a gem like the original too, as what a combo with a new 20+MP 5D replacement.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Both my old C/Y Zeiss 50 f/1.4 and 85 f/1.4 are superb lenses and if the new ones are optically as good with all the other benefits I'll be stoked. Hopefull the new 21 is a gem like the original too, as what a combo with a new 20+MP 5D replacement.
There you go, PP.......with those MF lenses you won't even need an enhanced (working ?) AF system on the 5DII.
As noted on the other ZE thread, the new lenses appear to NOT have aperture rings.
So, they will do auto-aperture - Yowsa!
-but won't allow you to manually adjust the aperture when you WANT to. (in order to see the true DOF of your shot.) - @#%$@#
I guess that's fine with a landscape lens like the 21mm, but on an 85mm, I dunno.
Gotta' think about this some more.......
I don't understand why this is a problem. And quite oppositely, having auto aperture is a massive step in the right direction regarding convenience and ease of use. I'm having a hard time thinking of a time when a darker viewfinder is more desirable for manual focus.
You can adjust the aperture value when you want to. You don't need an aperture ring for that. Use the scroll wheel just above the shutter button. Then depress the DOF preview button to see the DOF.
StevenPA wrote:
I don't understand why this is a problem. And quite oppositely, having auto aperture is a massive step in the right direction regarding convenience and ease of use. I'm having a hard time thinking of a time when a darker viewfinder is more desirable for manual focus.
You can adjust the aperture value when you want to. You don't need an aperture ring for that. Use the scroll wheel just above the shutter button. Then depress the DOF preview button to see the DOF.
You obviously don't care about this, but as you can see on that other thread, quite a few folks do. Depends on how you like to work.
If I'm shooting outside in bright sun, using manual focus (my usual choice even with Canon lenses) adjusting between f/2 & f/8 to get "just' the right DOF, I can't be bothered to hit the (cumbersome) DOF preview button all the time. DOF and focus are too closely connected.
In that situation (bright daylight) I don't need the aperture wide-open in order to focus, so I MUCH prefer working with the desired aperture set all the time.
Maybe if the DOF preview button could lock....
That's an interesting possibility for the 5DII, but I doubt Canon would bother.
Cableaddict wrote:
You obviously don't care about this, but as you can see on that other thread, quite a few folks do. Depends on how you like to work.
My impression is that people want an aperture ring because they like setting the aperture that way. But ask people if they would prefer if the lens stop down or not as the aperture ring is turned. My bet is everyone will say they want to lens to stop down only when the shutter release is pressed.
If I'm shooting outside in bright sun, using manual focus (my usual choice even with Canon lenses) adjusting between f/2 & f/8 to get "just' the right DOF, I can't be bothered to hit the (cumbersome) DOF preview button all the time. DOF and focus are too closely connected.
In that situation (bright daylight) I don't need the aperture wide-open in order to focus, so I MUCH prefer working with the desired aperture set all the time.
But still, wouldn't you prefer a brighter viewfinder anyway? I think most of us using alternative lenses these days do exactly what you do not out of preference (though it may be preference in your case) but out of convenience/laziness.
StevenPA wrote:
But still, wouldn't you prefer a brighter viewfinder anyway? I think most of us using alternative lenses these days do exactly what you do not out of preference (though it may be preference in your case) but out of convenience/laziness.
Prefer? Sure, but not at the cost of that trade-off. I shoot a 5D with a Brightscreen D2 magnified viewfinder. I have not found a need to switch focus-screens, so my view is very large & very bright. I can even focus indoors, at selected aperture, up until about f/4.
After that it gets a little tough.
Well, the coming ubiquitousness (is that a word?) of live-view make make this a somewhat moot point, anyway.
"Wie bei allen EF-Objektiven werden bei den ZE-Modellen alle Informationen ausschließlich über elektronische Kontakte übermittelt. Dadurch werden sämtliche Belichtungsmodi wie Programm-, Blenden-, Zeitautomatik und manuelle Einstellungen unterstützt. Auch die automatische Fokussierbestätigung bleibt uneingeschränkt verfügbar."
Translation: "With the ZE models, as with all EF lenses, all information will be transmitted exclusively over electronic contacts, thereby supporting all exposure modes like P, Av, Tv and M. Also, auto-focus confirmation remains fully available."
i just thought the idea of a zeiss 50mm 1.4 on a 5d successor deserved more than a "much joy to be of blinding happiness with tube of glass" auto-translation.
I get the feeling that some people never using a manual focus lenses on manual focus cameras and are have come to believe that some of the problems associated with using manual lenses on AF bodies are actually "features". My ancient contax body has auto aperture with C/Y lenses, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
StevenPA wrote:
My impression is that people want an aperture ring because they like setting the aperture that way. But ask people if they would prefer if the lens stop down or not as the aperture ring is turned. My bet is everyone will say they want to lens to stop down only when the shutter release is pressed.
For manual focus lenses it is much easier to focus wide open. Also, the apparent depth of field as seen on the focus screen and as it is actually recorded are quite often not very close. You just need to shoot for a little bit to understand this. The best way to judge depth of field is through experience of using your various lenses at varying apertures and focus distances. The next best way is to look at the scale on the lens. Using DOF preview comes in a distant third compared to the previous methods.
But still, wouldn't you prefer a brighter viewfinder anyway? I think most of us using alternative lenses these days do exactly what you do not out of preference (though it may be preference in your case) but out of convenience/laziness.
Yeah, keeping a manual lens on an AF body stopped down for focus is really only for convenience, such as in cases where you're taking pictures at a quick pace and don't have to time to open up the lens to focus better. You can never achieve better focus by reducing the amount of light to the viewfinder.
Can't believe it actually really happens..