I think Geert is right we do not need a camera with 50% more pixels crammed on to the same space. A new generation FF would have been more welcome, perhaps Canon engineers have encountered a design problem preventing release of the next generation FF?
The 40D I have is just a few month old it works fine so way the update.
nikt wrote:
Nah! Nikon want to push their uber expensive lenses, and take their time releasing them. Nope, I'm just hoping Sony can really get their act together and really release some good lenses and are more realistically priced. Doubt it though.
Sony lenses are dearer than both Nikon and Canon. Have a look at their 24-70 for a start.
ChrisDM wrote:
Greater resolution is of course an advantage when making large prints. And really large prints aren't typically shot at 1600. I did a bunch of landscape work with a K20D last season and it produces remarkable 36" prints.
Megapixels do matter, if you print large.
Chris M
www.imagineimagery.com
Chris, ISO 1600 and landscapes are 2 separate things. I'm saying the camera isn't really good at either. I shoot mostly landscapes and like to stop down past f8, not sure about you.
EDIT: I agree, if you print large you should have as many pixels as possible, however on APS-C we're well past the limit when many pixels are useful IMHO.
I say let's first see how well the 50D performs with 15Mp and then judge if it has too many pixels. In earlier upgrades, Canon showed that they could increase the pixel density and also improve ISO performance.
how many more times can canon release a marginal upgrade and charge > $1000 for it? these cameras are definitely not worth what they're selling for. how many more times are people gonna buy a device, that in the end, takes pictures!?
i hope we're getting close to market saturation point.
It's disappointing to see that the upgrade may still have 9 point AF. Notwithstanding the 51 points in 'comparable' Nikons, 9 isn't enough for me, especially given how little of the fov they cover.
You wouldn't want body IS...EVER!!! Every camera lens combination needs different IS that is the reason why it is built into the lens not the camera. I don't remember exactly why, but I have heard canon reps talk about this issue specifically.
In reality, you wouldn't want to see body IS, your IQ would go down. So hopefully we will never see this from canon.
...not that the 50D matters, i've already purchased my last 1.6 camera (40D), because i would imagine that in a couple of years, when my 40D and 5Ds are about to go tango-uniform, a true 'full frame 40D for under $2K' will probably be available (even it's from nikon sony or pentax).
There you go. Smart man. Hold your current gear and wait for what we should have. It's all really good enough to do what most of us need.
abam wrote:
...not that the 50D matters, i've already purchased my last 1.6 camera (40D), because i would imagine that in a couple of years, when my 40D and 5Ds are about to go tango-uniform, a true 'full frame 40D for under $2K' will probably be available (even it's from nikon sony or pentax).
Sebastian Kk wrote:
You wouldn't want body IS...EVER!!! Every camera lens combination needs different IS that is the reason why it is built into the lens not the camera. I don't remember exactly why, but I have heard canon reps talk about this issue specifically.
In reality, you wouldn't want to see body IS, your IQ would go down. So hopefully we will never see this from canon.
Cbass
There's no doubt that in lens IS is superior to in body IS, but I still wouldn't mind having an in-body IS system for all my non-IS lenses, as that still would be superior to no IS. I'd love to have IS for my Rokkor 58mm f/1.2...I could shoot in near total darkness!
Honestly,
You really think adding more megapixels wont help sell cameras?
Look at the 12mp 1/1.8" point and shoot cameras - think those lenses can resolve that many points?
Sure the diffraction limit will come into play, but you need to remember that if you can gain more DOF and still resolve more than you could with the last camera, your still ahead of the game. There is nothing canon can do about physics..
And dont forget, not EVERYONE buys EVERY camera. 1000$ for "an upgrade"? that also includes THE CAMERA
just because to YOU this is an upgrade, this may be some peoples first SLR.
RGS65 wrote:
There you go. Smart man. Hold your current gear and wait for what we should have. It's all really good enough to do what most of us need.
+1
as long as we continue to hype up these new cameras, and convince each other that they're worthy upgrades, canon will continue to do stuff like this. there's nothing revolutionary here- assuming that these specs are true of course. the 50d will still take pictures and when you print these pictures they will look virtually identical to what the 40, 30, 20d can (still) produce.
Sounds great. Great pixel density for bird phoptpgraphy. Anyone who does not think more pixels are a good thing does not own a 1DS-mk3 and print large.
Micro adjust focus, another thing that is absolutly essential for long lenses where Canons standard focus tolerances are inadequate. My calibrated 500f4 still needs 8 clicks to get right on my also calibrated 1DS-mk3.
No in-body IS. Good, I don't even like lens IS that much, especially below 400mm. I either use a tripod or very high shutter speed.
I just hope the AF is better than the 20D I had, or the 5D. I would be happy with just one AF point that worked right since I always use center point anyway.
I can see getting this camera for my 500 and never removing it. That way I might be able to keep my 1DS-mk3 sensor a bit cleaner.
Sebastian Kk wrote:
You wouldn't want body IS...EVER!!! Every camera lens combination needs different IS that is the reason why it is built into the lens not the camera. I don't remember exactly why, but I have heard canon reps talk about this issue specifically.
In reality, you wouldn't want to see body IS, your IQ would go down. So hopefully we will never see this from canon.
Cbass
You've been sold by the Canon marketing hype surrounding this issue. I'm reminded of a quote by Herbert Spencer:
“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”
I have investigated this matter however, and found Pentax's in-body IS to be more effective at longer focal lengths than Canon's in-lens IS:
K10D, Center crop, 450mm equivalent, handheld at 1/20th:
And before dismissing me as a Pentax fanboy: I own every Canon pro body, the 24-105LIS, 70-200 2.8IS, 70-300IS, and 100-400IS. None of these lenses gives me the stabilizing ability of the Pentax system, especially at the longer focal lengths, where it really counts. Plus with my Pentax system I only had to buy IS once, with my Canon system I have to buy it every time I purchase a lens, if I'm lucky. That's just plain old fashioned common sense. Canon would surely follow if they didn't have such a huge investment, and profit margin, in their current IS system. Do you think that it's out of the goodness of their hearts that they would rather sell each customer 3 or 4 IS systems rather than one?
The 50D site was up for all of 1 day, then it was pulled down.
10D announced, Feb 27 03
20D announced August 19th 04
30D announced Feb 21st 06
40D announced August 20 07
Rebel 300D announced 20 August 2003
350D announced Feb 17 05
400D announced August 2006
450D announced Jan 24 2008
1000D announced June 2008
Going from the timeline, I wouldn't expect a 50D to be announced, just yet. The 40D has been out for just 1 year!!!
I don't know enough about microns and what not, to comment on the specs. But, to me, it looks like there's way more specs to this camera, than the price point would allow. So either expect a jump in price on the XXd series, meaning the same demographic won't be buying into them, or expect this to not turn out.
My mother used to tell me, wish in one hand....well, I'm sure you've got this one. She also used to tell me, if it sounds too good to be true...
Someone said that website, is the website Canon uses to leak their information. Heck if I know. Why would the leak it in China first? Everyone says the 5D is due for replacement, but you've got to figure out if the 5D was a one of run, or if it's going to be a series, ala rebel, XXd, or 1D series. If that's the case, this step up in specs, may very well be a new 5D.
I guess we'll see rumor threads like these, until photokina or Canon's press conference. And either they confirm it, or not...and if not, then it will appear like this.
"I just bought a 50D"
"Should I buy a 50D or wait for a 60D"
"50D announced in 10 days"
"50D announcement tomorrow"
The list goes on.
I do have a question though, did anyone who read the Chinese page notice if it had a direct print button?
