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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Compact wideangle for 5d


Since I went fullframe and sold my tokina 12-24/4 my widest lens is my 24-70 (oh and a fisheye) so now I'm looking for something wider for mostly landscape photography.

I'm looking for something in the 17-22 range and I like it to be 1: compact and 2: not too heavy, 3: sharp at small apertures and 4: flare-resistant. Lens speed or autofocus is not important because I'll be using it in the f/8~16 range.

My travel-lenses are my 35/2 and 85/1.8 and I very much like the size, weight and IQ of those lenses.

So far I've narrowed it down to these 4 lenses I think:

  1. tokina 17/3.5
  2. tamron 17-35
  3. canon 20/2.8
  4. canon 17-40


Any alternatives?
I've read a lot of reviews and so far the tokina prime and canon L are on top, but the L-zoom is kinda big and heavy for my purpose.
The canon 20/2.8 is not so great optically and the tamron is not soo good in the corners.
Alternative glass is also an option, but I don't want to spend as much on a manual-focus/stop-down metering lens as on an autofocus EF-mount lens.

Oh and last question, how about cokin P-size filters on these lenses? I've got the p164 circ. pola. and some hitech nd-grads. Any vignetting?

Edited by koenrutten on Jun 18, 2008 at 12:42 PM GMT

Edited on Jun 18, 2008 at 05:42 AM
Jun 18, 2008 at 05:37 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Compact wideangle for 5d


Well th 17-40 would be my choice for the 5D and that's what I have. But it's not compact at least compared to a 35 f/2. However, I'd overlook that given the wonderful results it delivers.

If you want a sharp small prime look at third party lenses from Olympus for example, like the 21 f/3.5, as long as you don't mind manual focus. Wonderful lenses IMO.
Jun 18, 2008 at 05:41 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Compact wideangle for 5d


Hmm, the only Olympus wideangle that I can find on the dutch 2nd hand boards is a 18mm F/3.5 but its 595 euros which is like 860 us dollars.

And how about the EF 20-35 USM? Is it ok at f/8~16 on full frame cameras?
It's pretty small and cheap (2nd hand)

I really think the 17-40L is the best choice except the size and weight, and I like to travel light. I really think it's to bulky (esp. with hood) and heavy for hiking and such.
Jun 18, 2008 at 06:01 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Compact wideangle for 5d


You said you had a fisheye; what's wrong with that?
I don't know which one you have, but most fisheyes are light and sharp. If you intend to use the ultra-wide to complement your 24-70, then I'd keep the fisheye you already have and de-fish in post processing if you really wanted to loos any fish effects. If you want to travel very light, you might not think that the difference between 17mm and 24mm is worth the extra 500g for an additional ultrawide lens. A fisheye on the other hand is reeeaaaallly wide. Careful composition can be used in most landscapes to hide the fish effect, but even if you shoot something with lots of lines in it, you still get about a 12mm FOV after de-fishing. The coverage-to-weight ratio cannot be beaten.

On the other hand, if you want to travel with just the 35mm and the 85mm primes, then I think Pixel has hit the nail on the head - get a Zuiko OM 21/3.5 and adaptor. Everyone seems to highly recomended this tiny little gem of a lens

I bought a small fisheye rather than stitch together lots of frames, but this is also a good option if you want to keep weight to an absolute minimum. Have you tried this already? Might be worth experimenting with this to see if it works for you before buying another lens.
Jun 18, 2008 at 08:32 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Compact wideangle for 5d


I really think the 17-40L is the best choice except the size and weight, and I like to travel light.
Amen, brother! +1 vote for that.
I was thinking about 16-35mm II f/2.8, but the savings from getting the 17-40mm instead, I can get the 85mm f/1.8 for low light (and no flash allow in museum) for my travel.
Jun 18, 2008 at 09:02 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Compact wideangle for 5d


koenrutten wrote:
The canon 20/2.8 is not so great optically...

Well I think that the 20/2.8 is actually not too bad. I have one. The main problem, and the reason it disappoints many people in my opinion, is that it is not as quite as good as it should be - i.e. you would expect it, being a prime, to be significantly better than a comparable zoom but instead it is barely better (than a good quality zoom like an L - and yes in some ways a little worse compared to a good L zoom). Also some 20mm primes made by a couple of other makers have been shown to outperform it. Having said that, it doesn't mean that the 20/2.8 isn’t at least a half-decent lens.

Edited on Jun 18, 2008 at 09:20 AM
Jun 18, 2008 at 09:11 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Compact wideangle for 5d


Pixel Perfect wrote:
...If you want a sharp small prime look at third party lenses from Olympus for example, like the 21 f/3.5, as long as you don't mind manual focus. Wonderful lenses IMO.

You can also look at Nikkor 20/3.5 and 20/4 lenses on AF-confirmation adapters. You certainly get a compact lens this way.
Jun 18, 2008 at 09:23 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Compact wideangle for 5d


You may want to go with the voightlander for nikon mount, see here

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You will need to pop up the mirror since it will not clear the rear element. This lens is sharp and light. Try www.cameraquest.com for adapters.

Gerry
Jun 18, 2008 at 12:45 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Compact wideangle for 5d


I use the Tamron 17-35 on a 40D and have been very happy with it.
That said, not a FF test. Corner sharpness might be the caveat.

Dan
Jun 18, 2008 at 12:47 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Compact wideangle for 5d


From what I have heard, the Canon 17-40L is stellar at reducing lens flare.

And it really isnt all that heavy, I rented one a long ways back.
Jun 18, 2008 at 01:16 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Compact wideangle for 5d


look at third party lenses from Olympus for example, like the 21 f/3.5

I really like this lens. Has worked great for me on my 5D (with adapter). Figure $350.
Jun 18, 2008 at 02:27 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Compact wideangle for 5d


At small apertures on a 5D the 17-40 is an excellent lens. I use one for a good portion of my landscape work.

In my view, unless you really believe that the potential slightly better (but most likely invisible in a print) IQ of the alternate lenses trumps the much greater flexibility and still very excellent IQ of the zoom, the zoom makes more sense for most people.

Dan

Edited by danmitchell on Jun 18, 2008 at 12:32 PM GMT

Edited on Jun 18, 2008 at 02:32 PM
Jun 18, 2008 at 02:28 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Compact wideangle for 5d


kevinsullivan wrote:
I really like this lens. Has worked great for me on my 5D (with adapter). Figure $350.

Another vote for the Oly 21/3.5.


Jun 18, 2008 at 02:32 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Compact wideangle for 5d


None of the Canon wide zooms fit the small category and the 17-40L while it is not a stellar lens it is an excellent lens and for the price a great buy, my copy was prone to flare in several situations.

I'm looking to lighten my load too but right now i don't see a Canon FF solution.
Jun 18, 2008 at 03:45 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Compact wideangle for 5d


thedruid: Interesting. Generally speaking the 17-40 is regarded as a rather non-flare-prone UWA - certainly so in comparison to the 16-35 L. Again, on a FF body at small apertures - and that is what the OP asked about - the 17-40 is an excellent performer. I use it that way all the time.

The weaknesses of the 17-40 (and every lens has is weaknesses and strengths) are that at the largest apertures it can be somewhat soft in the corners and show some vignetting, characteristics that are actually a bit common with such lenses. If you are looking for a sharp-across-the-frame-wide-open lens then the 17-40 might not be the best choice. If you are looking for a sharp-at-small-apertures-for-landscape-and-similar lens, the 17-40 is a very good performer.

dan
Jun 18, 2008 at 04:12 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Compact wideangle for 5d


No contest...17-40 is my choice. Here's my snaps taken with the 5D and this superb lens

http://www.pbase.com/sheila/canon_1740_f4l_with_5d

Cheers
Sheila
Jun 18, 2008 at 04:48 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Compact wideangle for 5d


+3 for the Oly 21 f3.5. Expect to spend around $300. I agree with cogitech about the Oly; much finer drawing style, richer color and stronger corner-to-corner performance than you'll get from the 17-40. This is just me, but I was very disappointed in the 17-40 when I owned it. Others do much better with it than I, my images never had any "pop" -
Jun 18, 2008 at 07:25 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Compact wideangle for 5d


davidearls wrote:
I agree with cogitech about the Oly; much finer drawing style, richer color and stronger corner-to-corner performance than you'll get from the 17-40.

#1 - Can you explain what "drawing style" is in objective terms?

#2 - Can you demonstrate the "richer color?"

#3 - Possible, but not generally not in a visible way at small apertures that you might well use on full frame.

Dan
Jun 18, 2008 at 10:21 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Compact wideangle for 5d


Hmm that zuiko really looks nice, I'll go read some reviews and check out the alternative lens board.
How about using Cokin P-size holders and filters on this lens?
Jun 19, 2008 at 04:31 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Compact wideangle for 5d


17-40. If you have the 24-70, the 17-40 is comparatively light .


Jun 19, 2008 at 04:44 AM
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