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jamesf99 wrote:
Well, since you put it that way I guess I agree with you and find it useless too

Glad you like the VF. Use a good one and you may not feel that way...

When you provide limited options, most will choose from what they have available, which is sad..


When comparing the 5D's VF to the 300D, which I first owned, and the 40D which I use frequently, your damn right I like the 5D's VF.
Point is it took 43 responses in the initial thread before it was mentioned...and that was after you had mentioned it. I did not include it because of this. Hmmm...43 replies and yet not one person had mentioned it, must be extremely important. I am sorry that you feel that the options provided were "limited" but frankly I don't feel thats the case at all, and if your outlook remains, please feel free to divulge further options that I (and countless others) have so ignorantly overlooked. I missed brighter VF, so that translates to an ineffectual poll? A brighter VF is a great thing...but surely there are more important upgrades to be had first and foremost. In the end I guess I owe you an apology for neglecting this feature...I hope you can forgive me. Just goes to show-- you can't always please everyone.


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Apr 05, 2008 at 09:59 PM
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M Vers wrote:
Point is it took 43 responses in the initial thread before it was mentioned...and that was after you had mentioned it. I did not include it because of this. Hmmm...43 replies and yet not one person had mentioned it, must be extremely important.


Actually, that's not the point...

The real point is that it depends on how you create and structure your poll. If you give people options, then most will select from those available, and paint between the lines. Very few will take the time to add, or really think, what is important. Please see the semi-poorly constructed poll below....

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/625785/0#5536353

There is no reason for me to believe that you either saw, read, or cared about the poll above. It doesn't change things though, and a 100% VF is more important than you think. It will have a far greater affect on the final IQ than many (most?) of the poll options you provided, but people do what you tell them to do and will respond accordingly. It’s just human nature unless their @ss is on the line for something, and a fun camera poll is not life threatening. At least I hope not!


I am sorry that you feel that the options provided were "limited" but frankly I don't feel thats the case at all, and if your outlook remains, please feel free to divulge further options that I (and countless others) have so ignorantly overlooked. I missed brighter VF, so that translates to an ineffectual poll? A brighter VF is a great thing...but surely there are more important upgrades to be had first and foremost. In the end I guess I owe you an apology for neglecting this feature...I hope you can forgive me. Just goes to show-- you can't always please everyone.


No, you can’t please every one, or even anyone sometimes.

N.B. Actually, I didn't say "brighter" VF so that's my fault. I simply said “better” without getting specific. The size of the VF is paramount. A 100% VF is even slightly more important than a brighter VF, but that's debatable too and will depend on who you ask. It does affect every picture you take, every time, every day, though…

Once you recognize that your poll, and most polls here (mine included), present a "limited" perspective, then you will know that until people can comment freely and are forced to either think or qualify their experience level, you know you may not get the truth.

When, or until, you begin using "professional" (I dislike using that designation) level gear, you may not notice the VF difference. The 5d's VF is better than the cameras you have owned or currently own, but it's a far cry from great. I've owned 4 5d bodies, right along 1 with series cameras, and there's a big difference.

The main takeaway here is that if people know about, and recognize what is truly important on a camera (any camera) we will start to get better gear because people will ask for the important things. They’ll know what will help them and what a mfg is simply throwing in as opposed to a real upgrade (14-bit is a given, period). As an example, is weather sealing really important to the shooters here, or do they just cry out for it because they think that’s what they need since the 1 series cameras have it? It (sealing) scored a low mark in your poll, but it was just behind FPS which is more important for many. It would be interesting for us to know why people really need it other than for the 1% of the time they get caught in a sprinkle and have to dash to the car. If you could choose between weather sealing which is expensive to add, not used much unless you’re a PJ, or a 100% VF, used every time you take a picture and will directly affect your composition, which would you choose?

Food for thought... Every politician, company, radio station, etc. that runs a poll can get almost any "answer" or result they want. It's all in how you structure the poll.

I can't do any better than the words below....

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics...

- Mark Twain

Edited on Apr 06, 2008 at 07:19 AM



Apr 06, 2008 at 07:14 AM
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p.3 #3 · #1 Change/Improvement for 5DII: The Poll


First, I think you need to understand something here that clearly you have missed on repeated accounts. The poll was derived from others personal opinions that were posted within Johns initial post, if you still do not understand this here is a quote: M Vers wrote:
...Also, the above options were derived directly from John's post so don't yell at me for posting 'In body IS' ...

If that still does not drive the point home, then I suggest you have someone sit down along side of you in order to carefully explain it to you.
Second, Unfortunately there are only so many options afforded to me (25 to be exact) therefore sub-categories for each option were out of the question, I hope you understand that point as well
Third, what is the point of your poll? Asking a general question in which most already know the answer to. Anyhow the only thing you ended up accomplishing...while apparently attempting to show me up in some way shape or form, is that to some (34%) who replied do not find a 100% VF extremely important to them and thats not even mentioning other factors that play larger roles when it comes to major specifications. OTOH if you had posted the same poll as I had along with the addition of a 100% VF then it would hold some relevance, in which case yours holds absolutely none (in accordance to mine at least).

Rather than conveying your child-like antics and nit-picking, perhaps you should go outside and take some photo's or do your taxes instead. 100% VF was not added, get over it...there is no need to cry over spilled milk. Have a good day, I truly hope I didn't put a dent in your week. God is Love

-Matt

Edited on Apr 06, 2008 at 09:55 AM



Apr 06, 2008 at 09:43 AM
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p.3 #4 · #1 Change/Improvement for 5DII: The Poll


M Vers wrote:
First, I think you need to understand something here that clearly you have missed on repeated accounts. The poll was derived from others personal opinions that were posted within Johns initial post, if you still do not understand this here is a quote:


And what makes you think that I didn't read or understand that? my comprehensino skills are fine, but thanks for checking..

If that still does not drive the point home, then I suggest you have someone sit down along side of you in order to carefully explain it to you.

Why Matt, Thank you for that excellent suggestion. If only you were able to understand, that would be great, but alas, I guess I'll have to just give up since it appears hopeless.


Second, Unfortunately there are only so many options afforded to me (25 to be exact) therefore sub-categories for each option were out of the question, I hope you understand that point as well
Third, what is the point of your poll? Asking a general question in which most already know the answer to. Anyhow the only thing you ended up accomplishing...while apparently attempting to show me up in some way shape or form, is that to some (34%) who replied do not find a 100% VF extremely important to them and thats not even mentioning other factors that play larger roles
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If you read my original post, it was neither nit-picking, child-like, nor otherwise, I simply said it was sad, something that must have set you off so you've flipped out. I didn't mean to insult or offend you, but take it the way you will. Additionally, I tried to explain my reasoning, using my inadequate poll as an example, but that apparently was too much for you too.

OTOH, you have over reacted (as usual I might add) and instead of discussing anything you resorted to name calling. Oh well, I guess we've all been there and recognize that it's the last bastion of a meaningless and futile argument,. Anyway, when you read this and begin stamping those size 4 feet of yours, try to remember that it's only a post, grab your nappy and binkie and a few hours from now when you wake up, it will all be fine.

Oh yeah, almost forgot. You're making a fine addition to the community here now that you've moved from DPR. Try posting without name calling. Hard to do I know, but it works much better for everyone in the long run. Over and out...


Edited on Apr 06, 2008 at 11:11 AM



Apr 06, 2008 at 11:05 AM
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I'm sorry to add to this...but just where had I called you names? Also, what was the purpose of your poll? As I see it, it was quite pointless in regards to making an association with this one. Perhaps its time you think before you post, it is people like you that are giving this forum an increasingly bad taste in the mouths of those who utilize it for all intensive purposes. Its awfully big of you to talk so tough over the internet, you must feel proud sitting behind your monitor where you constantly make attempts to talk down to others (which is quite laughable). For a grown man, you sure have a dirty diaper...so put that ego of yours down for a moment...give it a break and lets all enjoy the fruits of free speech in a respectful manor. Once again, have a good one

-Matt

Edited on Apr 06, 2008 at 03:14 PM



Apr 06, 2008 at 03:11 PM
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