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Tony Bonanno
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Beware MagicStor 2 GB Microdrive


I purchased one of the MagicStor 2.2GB Microdrives last month at what seemed like a great price for 2+ GB of storage. I had assumed it was just a re-branded Hitachi/IBM. I was wrong (it's made in China). Last night, while doing a shoot for a client, the drive failed after the first image. No amount of messing with it including reformatting could salvage it. Fortunately, I just pulled out a couple of 1GB cards and the shoot continued. Thank goodness it didn't fail after a couple of hundred images as I doubt I would have been able to recover them. Today, I'm in an argument with the vendor as they only want to exchange it for another one and I'm insisting that they issue me credit towards a different brand. Why would I want another one that will likely fail? Not sure how this is going to turn out.

Hope everyone has a good Holiday !

Tony Bonanno

Edited by Tony B on Dec 24, 2003 at 03:06 PM GMT



Dec 24, 2003 at 02:18 PM
dave miner
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Beware MagicStor 2 GB Microdrive


Sorry to keep reading about the failure of these Chinese drives.I had hopes that these MicroStor/MagicStor or whatever they are called would be a cost effective replacement for the IBM/HITACHI microdrives. However I have seen the 4 gig Hitachi for as low as $469-499.
Dave



Dec 24, 2003 at 03:57 PM
Tony Bonanno
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Beware MagicStor 2 GB Microdrive


Oops, I meant to say "MagicStor", not MicroStor. Just changed the original post. Yeah, I was hoping they'd be okay too. Looks like the vendor that I purchased my MagicStor from has agreed to credit me towards a 2GB Hitachi drive. Unfortunately, he won't have them until next month, but I can wait.

Tony Bonanno



Dec 24, 2003 at 04:04 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Beware MagicStor 2 GB Microdrive


That is an interesting experience, but not surprising. I would not touch any microdrive with a ten foor pole, so I guess the MagicStore would need a 20 foot pole. After seeing the IBM drive that fell out of the back of the photographer's camera, I was convinced to use CF. Even though the fall was only 5 feet (the body was on the tripod), the drive was toast. It only made some clicking noises and failed to be recognized.


Dec 24, 2003 at 04:50 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Beware MagicStor 2 GB Microdrive


I for one would _never_ use a HDD based product in a digital camera if working in a rough environment. I work in an industry that supplies electronics to the HDD industry and after getting to know these HDDs, I'd say I am actually surprised they work at all.

First of all there are moving parts and really miniature mechanics do not bode well for rough handling. Once the magnetic head scratches the surface as a result of a fall etc., it is toast. The "servo" information may be erased and the drive will never figure out where on the surface of the disk, the head currently is.

So... No HDD based products for me. I am sure the IBM/Hitachi drives are better quality drives compared to Magicstor, but don't forget these are still HDDs.

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-- Vivek



Dec 24, 2003 at 06:29 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Beware MagicStor 2 GB Microdrive


Stay away from microdrives, remember that CF chips are our freinds, not food!

Jonathan



Dec 24, 2003 at 07:19 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Beware MagicStor 2 GB Microdrive


EB-1 wrote:
That is an interesting experience, but not surprising. I would not touch any microdrive with a ten foor pole, so I guess the MagicStore would need a 20 foot pole. After seeing the IBM drive that fell out of the back of the photographer's camera, I was convinced to use CF. Even though the fall was only 5 feet (the body was on the tripod), the drive was toast. It only made some clicking noises and failed to be recognized.



I've lost 2 CF cards, and 0 Microdrives. No matter what you use, you can lose your data. Microdrives are definitely more fragile, but at the same time, CF cards aren't perfect either. I just bought myself another 1GB microdrive. I'll just keep using whatever is cheapest. When CF gets cheaper, I'll get that.



Dec 25, 2003 at 11:24 PM
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4 Microdrives 1 1/2 years, 0 problems.


Dec 26, 2003 at 08:15 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Beware MagicStor 2 GB Microdrive


Based on some early testing it appears this is more of a firmware support issue. I've tested two cards in several cameras and they work in some but not others. The G5 worked fine and indicated 810 frames available and I shot about 80 frames and transferred them without any problem using two different USB 2.0 card readers. They did not work in the 14n and D100. I will test a D1x, 10D and 1Ds when I get to work on Monday. The card is also OEMd to Transcend but carries the label MagicStor assembled in Taiwan on the back.

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marc



Dec 27, 2003 at 09:54 AM
Tony Bonanno
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Beware MagicStor 2 GB Microdrive


That's interesting information Marc. I've recently noticed the Transcend version being advertised. I've had good experiences with the Transcend 512MB CF cards. I'll stay away from their MagicStor OEM's for sure though. Regarding my MagicStor, the drive appeared to have mechanically failed. I had used it in the 10D without problem for maybe 100 or so images a couple of days prior to this last shoot. Then, for some reason, after the first image, it died. No amount of re-formatting (it would not format) or coaching could get it to work again. A tech support guy at the vendor's firm actually agreed with me that this brand appears to have a high failure rate. Too bad as they were really priced right compared to the IBM/Hitachi brands. I've got the Hitachi 2 GB on order, but I think that will probably be my last Microdrive (it will be my fourth). I like their capacity, but can't afford the risk. I do believe that, generally, CF cards are much more reliable and I will try to stay with them in the future.

Tony Bonanno

Edited by Tony B on Dec 27, 2003 at 10:44 AM GMT



Dec 27, 2003 at 11:24 AM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Beware MagicStor 2 GB Microdrive


Microdrives may have ther merits,. but NOT the MagicStor

These things just plain suck. I had nothing but problems and returned mine. Same with two friends of mine. Usually they don't work out of the box.. so at least you don't loose to many photos.

Really not worth the gamble



Dec 27, 2003 at 11:28 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Beware MagicStor 2 GB Microdrive


Sorry if I'm jumping in late... but I have yet to hear a compelling argument for using microdrives. I have heard several frightening reasons not to. Obviously, they are slow, fragile and mechanical. And, since they run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't run anymore.

My concerns extend further and even to large CF cards too. They are so small to begin with, what's the point of committing everything to one large card? Isn't it safer to carry several small-medium cards?

I don't shoot raw that often... it's just not mission critical for motorsports photography. So, a 128mb or a 256mb is comparable to a "roll" in my opinion. And, god forbid I lose one, (physically or mechanically) I haven't lost everything... just one "roll."

I'm sure there are arguments against my logic... but I thought I'd share my two cents.

John



Dec 27, 2003 at 11:31 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Beware MagicStor 2 GB Microdrive


Well,. when Microdrives first came out the porice difference was a VERY compelling reason.. like a !gig microdrive for less than the cost of a 256MB CF card that would sway me!

Needless to say,. the scene has changed and now a 1gig CF card is ony marginally more than an MD drive... I tried the Magicstro becuase 2.2 gigs was less than most 1gig CF cards.. but clearly that was not worth it.



Dec 27, 2003 at 11:38 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Beware MagicStor 2 GB Microdrive


Your logic is quite sound John. I shoot primarily RAW, so I tend to gravitate towards larger storage media. However, the downside is exactly as you point out. If the media fails, you've got all your eggs in one basket. Using several smaller size cards makes good sense to me. It's all relative I suppose. Based on this concept of "balance" between media size and risk, I'm now thinking that 1GB CF cards are the "right" place for me (RAW files). I can't tell you how thankful I was that the 2 GB MagicStor failed "right away" after the first shot the other night. If that card had failed midway through the shoot, and if the images could not be retrieved (which would have certainly been the case in this instance), the shoot would have been lost and I would have had a VERY unhappy client. Backup cameras, extra cards, etc. are not a problem, but media failure that results in lost images is my greatest fear with this technology. It's the same as loosing the film in the old days, but harder to manage the risk. How do you prevent some little micro-circuit from deciding to fry itself

Tony Bonanno



Edited by Tony B on Dec 27, 2003 at 11:10 AM GMT

Edited by Tony B on Dec 27, 2003 at 11:13 AM GMT



Dec 27, 2003 at 12:08 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Beware MagicStor 2 GB Microdrive


John Thawley wrote:
Sorry if I'm jumping in late... but I have yet to hear a compelling argument for using microdrives. I have heard several frightening reasons not to. Obviously, they are slow, fragile and mechanical. And, since they run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't run anymore.

My concerns extend further and even to large CF cards too. They are so small to begin with, what's the point of committing everything to one large card? Isn't it safer to carry several small-medium cards?

I don't shoot raw that often... it's just not mission critical for motorsports photography. So, a
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A while back, microdrives had more of an advantage because they would buy you a lot more storage space than CF at the same price. Now the price difference between 1GB CF and 1GB microdrives has been reduced. I use a combo of 3 1GB microdrives with my 1D when shooting sports. They keep up just fine, and I've NEVER had any problems with wiating for files to write before clearing the buffer, or anything of that sort. They might be slow on some other cameras, but certainly not on the 1D. I have a couple CF cards sitting around that are slower than my microdrives.

I'll give you the fact that microdrives are fragile. They need to be treated with respect. If you do that though, they'll last a very very long time. Two of my 1GB microdrives are over 2 years old each. They are used heavily probably 3 to 4 days out of each week, and have never given me any problems. I recently picked up a third microdrive to buy me a little more storage space while on the road. The price difference between a fast CF card and microdrive is still substantial enough to make me choose the microdrive.

As I said in an earlier post, I've lost two major namebrand CF cards out of the blue. They too were treated with care when they died. However, all my microdrives are still plugging along. If you read these forums a lot, you'll see that there are also a lot of horror stories about CF cards going bad. I think the microdrive stories just seem to draw more attention because people expect them to die very quickly.



Dec 27, 2003 at 12:09 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Beware MagicStor 2 GB Microdrive


I also had a Magicstor 2gig fail on me. I went back to CF cards. What I've realized is that, while I feel more secure knowing that a 2gig card CAN hold more pictures, I never take that many at one sitting/shooting/outing. And even if I did, I wouldn't want my entire trip/project entrusted to one card. Also, I wouldn't want to wait around all day for the 1000 pictures to download to the computer. I don't have that much patience. I tend to download my pictures immediately after every shooting, and then erase them off the camera, so I don't accumulate that many on a card at one time.
I find that the best size for me is the 512mb cf card ( and I carry a few). It holds just enough. I still like to carry the 1gig cards on a trip just in case though. You don't want to run out of storage.



Dec 27, 2003 at 02:20 PM





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