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Ian Bower
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · #47: Leviticus 20:13


I appologize in advance if this photograph offends anyone. When I sought to photograph "hate" I knew it would include one of two things, a gun, or a bible.

this is the new Photograph.

Leviticus 20:13 : 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.' (NIV).

Hate.



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Jan 29, 2008 at 12:45 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · #47: Leviticus 20:13


I think that the concept is quite well-expressed I just hope that believers dont fell offended.


Jan 29, 2008 at 05:51 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · #47: Leviticus 20:13


I hope no one is offended either because I feel like this is a place where we should be able to express ourselves freely through photography. You're right this does portray hate very well. I grew up in church and I consider myself a "believer" of sorts, but I completely agree with the message you are trying to convey.


Jan 29, 2008 at 08:43 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · #47: Leviticus 20:13


I appreciate Your Comments. Thank you very Much, I am actually going to change my photo however. Same theme, Just a different method of portrayal... i hope you like it as well.


Jan 29, 2008 at 10:47 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · #47: Leviticus 20:13


I'm not sure that the Holy Bible invokes thoughts of hatred. Isn't God a peace loving and forgiving entity?

By the way, I'm not offended by the image.



Jan 29, 2008 at 11:26 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · #47: Leviticus 20:13


This is not my experience of the Bible but I am not a Christian fundamentalist. My Jesus is not a status quo moralist on a high horse.

Cheers,
Wilfredo
www.BenitezRivera.com

PS. This picture does not offend me because sadly fundamentalists often use Holy Scriptures to promote hate. Thankfully not all believers think alike.



Jan 30, 2008 at 02:05 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · #47: Leviticus 20:13


Not offended at all, as I don't see how this depicts hate. If you do change your image, I'll be interested to see if the new one says hate to me.

Adam



Jan 30, 2008 at 04:12 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · #47: Leviticus 20:13


Bill Sutherland wrote:
I'm not sure that the Holy Bible invokes thoughts of hatred. Isn't God a peace loving and forgiving entity?

By the way, I'm not offended by the image.



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Jan 30, 2008 at 11:59 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · #47: Leviticus 20:13


Very interesting shoot, for me is about imposition of religion, and I totally agree with you, I hate that, no matter what religion, every one is free to chose werever they feel confortable.

Good luck



Jan 30, 2008 at 01:14 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · #47: Leviticus 20:13


I like the new image much better...it evokes more emotion. The selective color works here as well.


Jan 30, 2008 at 01:29 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · #47: Leviticus 20:13


Interesting take on your views. By the way, the Bible does not invoke hate. It is the people that use it for their own perversions and scopes. Interesting, but I would have rather used a joint of crack, or perhaps a syringe instead of the Cross, which represents sacrifice, hope and a new beginning.

Again, a glass may be half full or half empty. It all depends from where you come and how you view things!



Jan 30, 2008 at 03:30 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · #47: Leviticus 20:13


akovacsi wrote:
Interesting take on your views. By the way, the Bible does not invoke hate. It is the people that use it for their own perversions and scopes. Interesting, but I would have rather used a joint of crack, or perhaps a syringe instead of the Cross, which represents sacrifice, hope and a new beginning.

Again, a glass may be half full or half empty. It all depends from where you come and how you view things!


I think you are missing the point ...the rainbow arm bands represents gays & lesbians and the cross represents the church that hates them. You would need to be familiar with the fact that rainbows are a symbol of the gay/lesbian community. I think this portrays hate well.


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Jan 30, 2008 at 07:38 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · #47: Leviticus 20:13


Wow...I really think the new image is so much more emotional. Well done.


Jan 30, 2008 at 08:42 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · #47: Leviticus 20:13


Thank you for your comments and opinions everyone. I am really pleased that I didn't need much explanation for the photograph.


Jan 30, 2008 at 10:44 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · #47: Leviticus 20:13


Hi Ian,

This is definitely a powerful image and thanks for sharing it. My problem with it is that I find the title together with the symbolism used to be confusing. I'm just not sure who the hater is in this image and at least 4 possibilities come to mind and none of them work that well for me given the combination of title and image. So is the hater meant to be God? Perhaps the title is meant to suggest this idea, but the image seems to represent more human hatred than divine hatred. Perhaps you mean the "church" as edgewater has suggested, but to me that is very vague. By the church do you mean the Roman Catholic Church? The actual symbol seems to point that way. It looks to me like a Rosary not just a cross--a very specific Catholic symbol that would not typically be held in esteem by other branches of Christianity. I get confused, however, with the use of the title. I am not Catholic, but the text in the title seems to me much more what would be held up by fundamentalist Christians. Such fundamentalist Christians, however, often would not be comfortable with the Rosary in the image. So to me the title and the symbolism doesn't work with either group as the hater and they don't match well. I suspect, however, what you may have in mind is Christians of whatever ilk who are trying to impose their views on others. For such a point I think the specificity of the title and the symbol are distracting. A more generic title and symbol (perhaps a more bare cross which would be utilized by both types of Christian groups) would in my view portray this image of hater much better. Perhaps a generic cross held up like holding off a vampire (suggesting homophobia) or a hand using a cross to hit the hands with rainbow wristbands would convey the message you a trying to convey more clearly. I hope this helps.

P.S. - as a non-Catholic, non-fundamentalist Christian I don't know whether to be offended by this image or not. Personally, I would only be offended by the portrayal of God as the hater in the image.



Jan 31, 2008 at 12:31 AM
Ian Bower
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · #47: Leviticus 20:13


Hey Steve,

I'll try and explain as best I can. I'll start with my approach to the Image. Originally, my idea was to have someone holding a bare cross, and a rope of garlic at a woman with the armbands.

However, I couldn't find a cross the size that I wanted, and I remembered the rosary beads my grandmother sends to me on every holiday (kept in a shoe box under my bed because I am afraid to throw them out, no matter how much I protest my disbelief in god).

So that is why the rosary was used. I admit that I am not an expert on all religions obviously, However i do know quite well the Position of the religion I was raised in, being Catholic.

So two things happened that made me want to take this photograph. Obviously the topic "hate" came up. And secondly, a good friend of mine told me that she was gay, and told me that she had never told me before because of the reaction she gets from everyone else.

As for your questions about the correlation between the symbol of the Crucifix, and the Leviticus text, I admit I am a little confused.

The Leviticus text comes from the old testament of the bible, which may be where your confusion lies. And must rely on heresy for my defense, but I am told that it is repeated in the new testament, which is why it is such a firmly held belief. (apparently, the most poignant beliefs of the catholic church are those which are written in the old testament and rewritten in the new testament)

I'll say right now, I dont claim to be an expert on religion, or symbols or anything like. I will say this however, and that the Rosary is a symbol to me of the Catholic church that I was raised in. I will say that its my opinion that the Catholic church does NOT preach tolerance. And that is why the Rosary was used as the religious symbol.




Jan 31, 2008 at 11:56 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · #47: Leviticus 20:13


First I want to say that this is a great image. It is great because great images provoke emotions. I don’t think this photo needs a title as the message is clear.

On the issue of it being offensive - I dont think it is, but it does get an initial defensive response, and I can see why some would be offended. I am going to chime in on the social statement of your image because I feel it is important. I am a christian. You were very blunt and quite accurate to show that the bible is very clear in the Old Testament that homosexuality is to be treated harshly, but so were a lot of other sins. The new testament and the coming of christ brought a change of approach in the way God related to humans. We are called to be more tollerant and accepting. The approach is more to live amongst and reach out to the people who do not believe, Also, while the Bible’s over all position in my opinion is that being gay is a sin; it also says being a Glutton (ie eating too much and being wastefull..... sounds kind of like america to me ), or being greedy, or lying is a sin. We are told to realize that the only sin that REALLY matters is not believing in Christ as the Son of God. Ok, the only reason I made such a big deal about that point is that many christians (typically the more fundamental type) go around telling homosexuals or people with other different beliefs that they are going to hell because of it, but they are not going to hell any more for that than for the fact that they lied to their boss about being late for work. According to the new testament there is only one unpardenable sin - not believing in Jesus Christ. I have had many gay friends and have been clear with them if asked that my belief system does not find their life style to be correct in this one respect, but that I am not going to treat them any different than other people I know who do not believe in God. I know many christians who act in this manner, and it is not the slightest bit intollerant. It is a difference of opinion and belief.

What is frustrating is the hatred we as Christians receive from gay people who have not given us a chance to be friendly to them. Intollerance is a lot different than disagreement, and because I am Christian I have been written off as being intolerant and been told that I hate people who are gay. Another example of intollerance that directly correlates to this is when people told me I was unpatriotic because I didnt think we should be invading Iraq, when in all reality I was thinking of what was best for my country, and not getting caught up in the grand ideas and rhetoric of the times. The point being that when there is a difficult disagreement about something this touchy, an easy debate tactic is to emotionalize the opposition’s stance, and make it seem undesirable simply because of the emotions attached to it. Politicians do it all the time (one of the underlying reasons we hate politicians so much). Both sides of this issue employ this tactic, and both sides are wrong to do it in my opinion.

All I am trying to say is that the road goes both ways, and not all disagreement should be construed as hate. So now that I have made clear why I think there is an initial gut reaction of offense or defensiveness for myself and probably for many people who see it, I would like to say that the truly intollerent Christians; the fundamentalist and outspoken "hatefull" people who call themselves christians while they throw stones have made your photo justified, and it will likely get my vote in this competition. For that reason this photo is not offensive, but poignant in my mind. However, If I were to do it, I would change only one thing. I would have one of the hands on the right clenched in a fist. But of course that is just my take.

Best of wishes
-Dave



Jan 31, 2008 at 03:19 PM
Ian Bower
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · #47: Leviticus 20:13


imaginarydave wrote:
What is frustrating is the hatred we as Christians receive from gay people who have not given us a chance to be friendly to them. Intollerance is a lot different than disagreement, and because I am Christian I have been written off as being intolerant and been told that I hate people who are gay. Another example of intollerance that directly correlates to this is when people told me I was unpatriotic because I didnt think we should be invading Iraq, when in all reality I was thinking of what was best for my country, and not getting caught up
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Thank for your response Dave. I wanted to respond to this particular part of your response because it is a very good point.

Originally I thought that the hands were fearfull of the cross, and that the cross was sort of.. chasing away the bad evil rainbow armbands.

But as I looked at it, It occured to me that the rainbow hands could very well be showing disdain for the cross as well. Showing a "hate", in extreme circumstances, for an organization that has/can (but doesn't always) preach intolerance for the rainbow hands.

Thank you again for your response.

-Ian



Jan 31, 2008 at 09:51 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · #47: Leviticus 20:13


Ian Bower wrote:
Thank for your response Dave. I wanted to respond to this particular part of your response because it is a very good point.

Originally I thought that the hands were fearfull of the cross, and that the cross was sort of.. chasing away the bad evil rainbow armbands.

But as I looked at it, It occured to me that the rainbow hands could very well be showing disdain for the cross as well. Showing a "hate", in extreme circumstances, for an organization that has/can (but doesn't always) preach intolerance for the rainbow hands.

Thank you again for your response.

-Ian


Ian...I recently saw a show that was explaining how hand positioning is perceived, especially in the work place. The way that would show the person being receptive and in a positive way would be the hands positioned as if to be holding an imaginary basketball in front of them...it shows the person is in charge and ready to participate. The position the hands in the picture are in would be considered hostile and defensive. Another positive position would be hands outstretched with the palms up...which would show that they are open to ideas and inviting others or reaching out to others. One other one I remember...the fingers forming a subtle OK sign. Which means...follow me and everything will be fine.

It was all very interesting...especially, when they put it in the context of the current political campaigns. I watch closely now for these different hand positions. Obama uses the basketball position a lot. And Hillary Clinton uses the OK gesture quite a bit. It's an interesting study.

(I thought I'd throw a bit of politics in to make things really interesting!!)


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Feb 01, 2008 at 06:46 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · #47: Leviticus 20:13


Bill Sutherland wrote:
I'm not sure that the Holy Bible invokes thoughts of hatred. Isn't God a peace loving and forgiving entity?

By the way, I'm not offended by the image.



You are talking about the New Testament God. The Old Testament God was a very different "person".




Feb 01, 2008 at 03:33 PM
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