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Archive 2008 · 5D and FM3a K3 screen

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**I've corrected (in bold) some misinformation about how the screen was modified.**

I thought I had found the holy grail of 5D focus screens in the modified Ec-L. It gave me a high level of accuracy, and having both vertical and horizontal splits proved to be very convenient. The problem was vignetting/corner darkening at F2.8 (and severe vignetting beyond that) in the viewfinder. This made it really difficult to use two of my main lenses, the OM 21/3.5 Contax and 35-70/3.4. At night, which is when I do a good portion of my photography, it was like looking into a closet with a single light bulb hanging in the middle. Well, maybe not that bad, but it was enough to irk me.

Then this week I saw an ad on a local website for a modified FM3a K3 screen. $60 later I have my viewfinder back! No vignetting! In terms of brightness, it's about halfway between the standard 5D screen and the Ec-L, maybe a touch closer to the standard screen, and none of the nasty vignetting, none.

The tab where one would grab the screen has been clipped off, and if you look carefully at the bottom of the screen in the first pic, you can see two thin strips of metal (0.5mm? each) that have been glued on. There is also one shim on each side of the screen.

Going in, the screen is a tight fit. It fits snug in the tray with little play around the edges, but locking it up requires a bit of extra pressure. No need for shims and I thought of removing the shim that was already in the 5D until I did a focus test. It's more accurate than what I was getting with the Ec-L.

The spilt is bright at F1.4, greys down at F2, stays there until about F5.6, and then becomes difficult to see after F5.6 without careful eye placement. I haven't done a serious field test yet, but the split seems to be better than that of the Ec-L.

For those who don't know, the K3 screen has a horizontal split surrounded by a microprism collar, then an etched circle and grid lines. Pleasantly arranged, I might add. My first visual impression is that it's a killer screen, both aesthetically and functionally.

http://www.pbase.com/stevenpa/image/91806847/original.jpg

Edited by StevenPA on Jan 20, 2008 at 03:11 PM GMT

Edited on Jan 20, 2008 at 12:11 AM



Jan 18, 2008 at 04:00 AM
Andi Dietrich
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · 5D and FM3a K3 screen


Interesting, could you test it with a 1.4 lens at differenct distances and post your findings?


Jan 18, 2008 at 04:16 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · 5D and FM3a K3 screen


I'll put something together this weekend, Andi. In the mean time, here's a shot through the bus window on the trip home after getting the screen. OM 50/1.4 wide open, focus on the long vertical left outside edge of the G.

I should add that metering seems to be accurate with the standard 5D setting, but I'll have to play around some more.

http://www.pbase.com/stevenpa/image/91806995/original.jpg

Edited on Jan 18, 2008 at 04:34 AM



Jan 18, 2008 at 04:29 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · 5D and FM3a K3 screen


I am highly interested in that screen. Is it possible to give us the internet adress of the dealer you bought the screen (if he has an english page). Please share more information about any metering problems, if you find some...
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Jan 18, 2008 at 10:27 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · 5D and FM3a K3 screen


Holger, I've sent you a PM.

I went out for some night photography tonight, and metering is always tricky at night, so I can't say that the screen introduced metering problems or not. But I don't think so. Exposures were all as I expected. Plus I was using an OM 21/3.5 and Distagon 28/2.8 (bought that today too!), and metering with non-Canon lenses is always tricky anyway, off-brand screen or not.



Jan 18, 2008 at 11:13 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · 5D and FM3a K3 screen


Are you just teasing us, or can the rest of us order one as well?


Jan 18, 2008 at 11:21 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · 5D and FM3a K3 screen


Sorry, John. Might be best to go through me because of the language barrier. The shop owner may not speak English. Our conversation was entirely Korean anyway. And he loved to talk, mostly about what slide film I liked best and where I buy my black and white films.

I asked him about buying more if there was interest on the Internet (I told him I would post about it here) and he insisted that all bodies must come to him for a proper fitting. I don't quite know why because all he did for me was install the thing with no shimming or adjusting. I guess he didn't expect me to be a seasoned veteran at changing screens.

Anyway, here's the link:

http://www.dicas.co.kr/wizmart.php?query=view&code=000122&no=153#

You'll notice the price is zero Won, so maybe I just paid $60 for the installation.

Edited on Jan 18, 2008 at 11:45 AM



Jan 18, 2008 at 11:38 AM
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I have a Nikon FM3a and I love its focusing screen on this camera. It is great news that someone is willing to adapt it for the 5D. Have you had any front/back focusing issues with it?

I would love to buy one but unfortunately i do not speak Korean. How do I get one?

Thanks - R



Jan 18, 2008 at 12:48 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · 5D and FM3a K3 screen


Have you done any testing on focusing accuracy yet? Try and nail focus on a ruler or something to see if it is spot on.

I guess modifying a FM3 screen wouldn't be such an arduous task, with luck it is more or less a question of filing down that tab. Mind you there have been several reports on 5D having a hit-and-miss mirror assembly so that one cannot (or Canon't) know for sure if it will nail focus. If you got it right with your screen on your camera I congratulate you!

I ordered a Brightscreen for my 5D but never got it to work right and had to send it back - and I have shifted screens on several of my older cameras with no sweat and head aches. One solution on the 5D has been to use shims to fit the screen properly.




Jan 18, 2008 at 01:12 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · 5D and FM3a K3 screen


Steven....

i told you to stay away from that 28 Distagon.

but anywayyyyyyyys- this is crazy! When i get another 5D, i need you to send me one of these screens!



Jan 18, 2008 at 08:07 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · 5D and FM3a K3 screen


ISO1600 wrote:
Steven....

i told you to stay away from that 28 Distagon.

but anywayyyyyyyys- this is crazy! When i get another 5D, i need you to send me one of these screens!


Yeah, I know. I couldn't stop thinking about it. It's like being reunited with an old friend!

Edited on Jan 20, 2008 at 12:03 AM



Jan 18, 2008 at 08:46 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · 5D and FM3a K3 screen


I did some focus testing around the house, and the screen is accurate - both the microprism and the split. Any misfocus was surely due to user error.

I also made a mistake above when I said the screen wasn't shimmed (I've edited that bit out). My apologies for the misinformation. If you look carefully at the bottom of the screen in the first pic, you can see two thin strips of metal (0.5mm? each) that have been glued on. There is also one shim on each side of the screen.

Edited on Jan 20, 2008 at 12:13 AM



Jan 20, 2008 at 12:04 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · 5D and FM3a K3 screen


This is nice...when I sold my FM3A to fund my Canon Dslr rig I kept the original screen (sold the bod with the B screen...flat matte as in the Canon) which may yet come in handy when I get my 5D...


Jan 20, 2008 at 12:30 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · 5D and FM3a K3 screen


The K3 is actually the one that Katz Screen provides. It was claimed being useful even at f16. I got one on my old 300D before, but soon was replaced by 30D. The 30D's matte screen, in my opinion, is a better solution. I got MUCH more misfocus shots on K3 than 30D's matt sreen, especially at f/1.4. K3, in other words, does not intend for extreme narrow DOF lens.


Jan 20, 2008 at 04:28 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · 5D and FM3a K3 screen


Phuang3...
The Canon's standard screen is like the the Nikon B screen I'd used for 40 years so I'm comfortable with Canon's...



Jan 20, 2008 at 08:47 AM





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