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Beautiful Douglas and my fav, the F-18 although was hangin out with the T-38 guys from Beale yesterday


Apr 18, 2024 at 08:07 AM
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Douglas L wrote:
Sorry for not having stopped by as much as I should have recently. With the hell hole the world is in right now, I wasn't in the mood of debating politics.

Anyway, I signed up for a 3-day air-to-air photo shoot during the Sun N Fun airshow in Lakeland, Florida. It was my first time to shoot air to air. Obviously it's a totally different experience from shooting on the ground. My first day was Thursday, really bad weather, 30-40 mph wind, with storm coming. We took off when the window presented anyway, the plane I was in was
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Fantastic photography here Douglas! So sharp, so nicely seen and composed! Glad you had a good time!

And don't let politics muck up your participation here! Jim has it correct!
Dan
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Apr 18, 2024 at 09:40 AM
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Douglas, I've have happily driven 25 hours round-trip and hung out for three days to get those images. Stunning work (as usual) from you, as it's clear that the results speak to the skill/experience/craft needed to make them happen.

I'll also support the "don't worry about politics" points. I'm a center-right moderate, so I'm constantly arguing with both extremes... but around here, you're welcome because you're a good soul and you like both photos and airplanes. So long as we're all respectful of each other as people, it's OK to disagree with views and opinions.



Apr 18, 2024 at 12:27 PM
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Hi Douglas I ain't seeing any mistakes excellent series


Apr 18, 2024 at 12:36 PM
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JWilsonphoto wrote:
Welcome back Douglas, outstanding images! Please don't stay away because of politics, it's going to be what it's going to be and nothing anyone would say here would change a single mind. We all know where we stand, let's go back to the dark ages where nobody knew how much money anyone made, or their politics. You are too big a part of us to lose over that crap.

Now, so happy that you got to shoot air to air, and ultimately had a successful time of it. I don't want to burst your balloon, but your first flight took
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Jup ain't that the truth.



Apr 18, 2024 at 12:40 PM
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Personally, I don't believe that we have let politics get in the way of the real meaning and mission of this conversation. Stop and analyze it, our political content has been a tiny, tiny.......TINY, part of the zillions of pages and posts over the life of MA2A. So let me get this straight, someone is going to deprive themselves of the great friendships, the unlimited help of this knowledge base and just the downright pleasure that it is to hang out here, because someone here might not believe what they believe politically.....now think about that for a minute and the absurdity should hit you like a truck. We have lost people for political reasons, but I think that they were people who leaned left and were part of the "love you long, long time, as long as you think just like I do" mentality, and, truthfully, this is a better place without folks who subscribe to that mindset. We have people that come and go from here who served our country fearlessly, more skin in the game than I have ever had, or ever will, some of them have views that are diametrically opposed to mine, but I respect the hell out of them and the price that they paid to hold those views. I sure don't agree with a lot of what is going on in America at the moment, and hope for a turn around, but most of it is really common sense and I think if we sat down at Salt Grass after an air show we would mostly agree on the the big points.

Funny, I went to Sheila's high school reunion a few years back and a friend of ours husband, a guy with a delightful Scottish accent and a great personality decided to stick to me like velcro for the evening. He had heard that I was a pilot and a commercial photographer, both of which intrigued him. Problem was, he was a dyed in the wool socialist, living in Chicago, and, instead of aviation and photography, he decided to make it his mission to convert me to his way of thinking, it was a painful evening to say the least. I did my very best, successfully I might add, to remain respectful, incredulous, but respectful. Fast forward to today, that gentleman, his business gutted by Chicago politics, the pandemic shutdown, mandatory vaccines, along with usurious taxation and onerous regulation, illegal immigration, is now just to the right of Atilla The Hun in his political thinking. Our next evening together, which is unlikely to happen, would be a very different one. Like the old saying, "it's all wonderful until it's your Ox that's being gored....".

MA2A is, and has always been, a place where everything is welcome, except for nastiness and disrespect, I hope it always remains so.



Apr 18, 2024 at 02:03 PM
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Well said!!

Jon



Apr 18, 2024 at 02:26 PM
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Hey, maybe things are starting to get real, in a few weeks........
https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r1-and-eos-r5-mark-ii-marketing-and-training-has-begun-with-preferred-retailers/



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JAM11 wrote:
Well said!!

Jon


Thanks Jon! From the heart Sir.



Apr 18, 2024 at 02:42 PM
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JWilsonphoto wrote:
Personally, I don't believe that we have let politics get in the way of the real meaning and mission of this conversation. Stop and analyze it, our political content has been a tiny, tiny.......TINY, part of the zillions of pages and posts over the life of MA2A. So let me get this straight, someone is going to deprive themselves of the great friendships, the unlimited help of this knowledge base and just the downright pleasure that it is to hang out here, because someone here might not believe what they believe politically.....now think about that for a minute and the
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It will Jim. There are way too many patriots, right, left, middle...here to let any nastiness be prolonged! We can always send them to New Guinea where the cannibals eat anything, even his uncle, according to someone!
Dan




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JWilsonphoto wrote:
MA2A is, and has always been, a place where everything is welcome...


Hey, wait, we don't let Marines in here, do we?! (Just kiddin, Gyrenes. Chesty Puller for Prez!)



Apr 18, 2024 at 08:02 PM
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Thank you, gentlemen! Even my liberal daughter, who bought Michell Obama's biography and was a fan of AOC, moved out of DC and thinks giving debit cards to illegals when there are so many homeless Americans is wrong. Hey, let's welcome another 10 million illegals if people don't wake up.

Back to regular programming. I have lots of files to go through, it may take me months. Here are some I have worked out. I had a 24-70 on one camera and a 100-400 on another. I think the biggest mistake I made while on the skyvan was choosing the wrong focal length sometimes, in the midst of excitement.




  ILCE-1    FE 100-400mm F4.5-5.6 GM OSS lens    226mm    f/11.0    1/160s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  






  ILCE-1    FE 100-400mm F4.5-5.6 GM OSS lens    100mm    f/8.0    1/160s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  






  ILCE-7RM5    FE 24-70mm F2.8 GM II lens    70mm    f/8.0    1/160s    500 ISO    -1.0 EV  






  ILCE-7RM5    FE 24-70mm F2.8 GM II lens    70mm    f/11.0    1/160s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  






  ILCE-7RM5    FE 24-70mm F2.8 GM II lens    70mm    f/13.0    1/160s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  






  ILCE-1    FE 100-400mm F4.5-5.6 GM OSS lens    141mm    f/11.0    1/160s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  






  ILCE-1    FE 100-400mm F4.5-5.6 GM OSS lens    224mm    f/18.0    1/100s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  






  ILCE-7RM5    FE 24-70mm F2.8 GM II lens    70mm    f/9.0    1/200s    100 ISO    -1.0 EV  






  ILCE-7RM5    FE 24-70mm F2.8 GM II lens    70mm    f/8.0    1/160s    250 ISO    -1.0 EV  




Apr 18, 2024 at 08:30 PM
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So Douglas, how many are you printing?

You got some nice wall hangers there.



Apr 18, 2024 at 08:46 PM
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Douglas, you got some really beautiful shots! How in the heck do you do it at 1/100 or 1/160 and also being in an unstable platform? Gyro attached?



Apr 18, 2024 at 11:01 PM
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No camera is the wrong camera when it's in your hands Douglas! Beautifully captured my friend! The Skyvan is an awkward platform when one is alone, muchness when you are elbow to elbow with a gaggle of photographers vying for position, you did exceptionally well. You'll need to make a few display prints once you recover from the cash outlay that paid air to air missions require. Nonetheless less, you will never regret the cost of that experience, you're hooked now!


Apr 19, 2024 at 09:26 AM
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Douglas L wrote:
Thank you, gentlemen! Even my liberal daughter, who bought Michell Obama's biography and was a fan of AOC, moved out of DC and thinks giving debit cards to illegals when there are so many homeless Americans is wrong. Hey, let's welcome another 10 million illegals if people don't wake up.

Back to regular programming. I have lots of files to go through, it may take me months. Here are some I have worked out. I had a 24-70 on one camera and a 100-400 on another. I think the biggest mistake I made while on the skyvan was choosing the
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Oh my Douglas! These are SUPER!!! I envy you the opportunity to be part of a thrilling experience!

Ignorance is bliss someone said and also PT Barnum said a sucker is born every minute! What goes around comes around! She will get it at some point. Now whether she believes what she proclaims slaps her in her pocketbook... is above my pay grade!

Again SUPER photography brother!
Dan



Apr 19, 2024 at 09:57 AM
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Douglas, both sets of your air to air are absolutely outstanding, well done doesn't even begin to tell you what a great job you did with these.

It will cost you a small fortune in printing out all of these, but each one is certainly worthy of making a large print from. I've had the opportunity to do two air-to-air for my clients, it is a thrill, and as you mentioned, some of the excitement running through your brain, may take you away from your thought process. Nevertheless, all of these are gorgeous.



Apr 19, 2024 at 10:18 AM
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You will build on what you learned during your first experience, and next time you will be able to focus more on the photographic aspects of your mission. The first time you shoot air to air there is so much going on that it is distracting. I've taken some of our MA2A folks up with me a couple of times in the B25 and they all did very well, but those flights were much more relaxed (well as relaxed as an air to air mission can be), each of them got to come back to the tail and shoot over my shoulder, as well as shooting out the port hole and windows in the fuselage itself. Each time you go up there will be different things that will try to pull your attention from the reason that you are there. Maybe the air will be rough, maybe something breaks, maybe the clan with you doesn't work so well together, there are always factors trying to pull your attention away. I've had people come to me after a mission, dejected, because they got distracted and forgot that their camera was set to small jpeg...........so many things to remember, consider, aside from the fact that you are in an aluminum can with a dozen excited photographers, all involved in a life threatening activity......"what could go wrong..?"

I love going along with Paul Bowen, Glenn, or Jim Koepnick when they have done all of the orchestration and I can just sit back and concentrate on capturing the stills or video. When you are the chief cook and bottle washer and everything rests on your shoulders, it's a nerve wracking adventure and you are exhausted when it's finally accomplished.........and everyone lived. Two photographers/videographers have gone out the tail of the B25 that I used for years simply because they got distracted by all that was taking place and forgot to buckle in, it's a lot, and it's very easy to miss something critical in the fray.







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Air to air with Glenn is always exciting, because if it wasn't, he wouldn't be doing it...








Apr 19, 2024 at 11:23 AM
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Ray Swindle wrote:
So Douglas, how many are you printing?

You got some nice wall hangers there.


Hi Ray, I haven't thought about it yet. Over the last 10 years I have probably printed 10 pictures, not enough wall space in my house.
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jlambros wrote:
Douglas, you got some really beautiful shots! How in the heck do you do it at 1/100 or 1/160 and also being in an unstable platform? Gyro attached?


Hi Jeff, first I want to thank you for commenting on my pictures in your second post after joining Fred Miranda in 2010. All the shots were handheld, no Gyro. Those cameras have in body stabilization which helped. It wasn't bumpy during the flights so it helped too. I found it SO MUCH easier to get in focus shots at slower shutter speeds than panning on ground. The subjects were flying as about the same speed as the skyvan after they got close enough, even a caveman can get good prop. blurs.
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JWilsonphoto wrote:
No camera is the wrong camera when it's in your hands Douglas! Beautifully captured my friend! The Skyvan is an awkward platform when one is alone, muchness when you are elbow to elbow with a gaggle of photographers vying for position, you did exceptionally well. You'll need to make a few display prints once you recover from the cash outlay that paid air to air missions require. Nonetheless less, you will never regret the cost of that experience, you're hooked now!


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Danpbphoto wrote:
Oh my Douglas! These are SUPER!!! I envy you the opportunity to be part of a thrilling experience!

Ignorance is bliss someone said and also PT Barnum said a sucker is born every minute! What goes around comes around! She will get it at some point. Now whether she believes what she proclaims slaps her in her pocketbook... is above my pay grade!

Again SUPER photography brother!
Dan


Thank you Dan! I may hop over to Frederick to shoot FIFI form the ground when they come.
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JayDavis wrote:
Douglas, both sets of your air to air are absolutely outstanding, well done doesn't even begin to tell you what a great job you did with these.

It will cost you a small fortune in printing out all of these, but each one is certainly worthy of making a large print from. I've had the opportunity to do two air-to-air for my clients, it is a thrill, and as you mentioned, some of the excitement running through your brain, may take you away from your thought process. Nevertheless, all of these are gorgeous.



Thank you very much Jay. I consider the trip very productive, even though 2 of the 3 days were disappointing in terms of activities, or the lack of.

Before the trip I gave a lot of thoughts on whether I would use ND filters for the prop. planes so I wouldn't have to shoot at f16 or f18 to get slower shutter speed. I bought a few but ended up not using them at all. We were required to put a rubber hoods on the lenses and tape them down. They don't want bare lenses close to the windows. I wouldn't have had time to mess around with putting on/removing the filters when the jets and prop. planes came and go.
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JWilsonphoto wrote:
You will build on what you learned during your first experience, and next time you will be able to focus more on the photographic aspects of your mission. The first time you shoot air to air there is so much going on that it is distracting. I've taken some of our MA2A folks up with me a couple of times in the B25 and they all did very well, but those flights were much more relaxed (well as relaxed as an air to air mission can be), each of them got to come back to the tail and shoot over
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I will be dreaming to fly with the masters one of these days... Need to sell a kidney. I have acrophobia so I will never sit by the open edge. I was assigned to the second row in all 3 days, which I was perfectly happy. I closed my eyes during takeoff and landing, but once I was up there I was fine with the height.

More shots... I am editing them randomly, too many to go through. Hope I am not spamming the thread.






L-39

  ILCE-1    FE 100-400mm F4.5-5.6 GM OSS lens    105mm    f/8.0    1/1600s    250 ISO    0.0 EV  






S-211 and L-39

  ILCE-1    FE 100-400mm F4.5-5.6 GM OSS lens    164mm    f/8.0    1/1600s    400 ISO    0.0 EV  






  ILCE-1    FE 100-400mm F4.5-5.6 GM OSS lens    187mm    f/18.0    1/160s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  






  ILCE-7RM5    FE 24-70mm F2.8 GM II lens    70mm    f/9.0    1/200s    100 ISO    -1.0 EV  






  ILCE-7RM5    FE 24-70mm F2.8 GM II lens    70mm    f/8.0    1/160s    320 ISO    -1.0 EV  






  ILCE-7RM5    FE 24-70mm F2.8 GM II lens    70mm    f/8.0    1/200s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  



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