Paul B wrote:
Silliness aside, I don't think it's actually counterintuitive that less weight can coexist with more stability.
Yes, I agree, especially when I think about it carefully.
But, then I pick up an old John Shaw book on landscape photography, and he makes it a point to stress the importance of a tripod's weight -- even going so far as to say that the Gitzo 1228 is too light to be of any use. But, in the same section Shaw also suggests that the aluminum Bogen 3021 is a good buy. That may be true, but I know from experience that my Gitzo 1228, while lighter than the 3021, is sturdier than the 3021.
I'm likely going to purchase a 3530 series Gitzo shortly.
Paul B wrote:
But it seems intuititve that increase in load bearing ---> increase in stability, no?
Good point! Perhaps my faulty intuition suggests that I trust the manufacturer's specs. on the weight more than I trust the manufacturer's claims of load bearing .
"Are you saying the max weight is lower than the old ?"
Never said that.
"Wrong"
Nope.
"and Wronger."
and noper.
My eyes don't lie. Wishing all well with their deceptions but based upon what I've personally seen, I'll stick with the 1325 as it's a better pod, to me, than either the 3530/40 with the exception of the ALR.
"Why Gardner, you must be an idiot if you believe this."
I'll save the nay sayers the time of telling me how stupid I am.
"decrease in weight ---> increase in stability"
And this due to a decrease in tube wall thickness. There's a willow-y-ness in the legs by comparison. You can only thin things out so much and then they begin to flex. Carry more, sure, but more rigid, no way as it ain't happening.
Jul 21, 2007 at 11:21 PM
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tmr_wa wrote:
Good point! Perhaps my faulty intuition suggests that I trust the manufacturer's specs. on the weight more than I trust the manufacturer's claims of load bearing .
--tom
Instead of looking at the load bearing, wich is very high at every tripod maker. Gitzo also has a limit in mm of how long lenses you should use wih the tripods. They are very conservative about the rating on those limits, and it's very good compared to the weight rating.
Download their Gitzo 2007 catalogue from their website if you don't have it.
Jul 22, 2007 at 02:51 AM
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BeeMan458 wrote:
"Are you saying the max weight is lower than the old ?"
Never said that.
"Wrong"
Nope.
"and Wronger."
and noper.
My eyes don't lie. Wishing all well with their deceptions but based upon what I've personally seen, I'll stick with the 1325 as it's a better pod, to me, than either the 3530/40 with the exception of the ALR.
"Why Gardner, you must be an idiot if you believe this."
I'll save the nay sayers the time of telling me how stupid I am.
"decrease in weight ---> increase in stability"
And this due to a decrease in tube wall thickness. There's a willow-y-ness in the legs by comparison. You can only thin things out so much and then they begin to flex. Carry more, sure, but more rigid, no way as it ain't happening....Show more →
In your last post you wrote that the legs where more stable and more rigid on the old tripod. But here you say that it can't take more weight How can they better,more stable & rigid and still not take more weight
And what's better on the old tripod ALR was better on the new, there must be a couple of things that are better on the old if it's a better better pod as you say.
Never said that either. Gitzo makes the claim, I don't. I've never done a weight comparison as I don't feel compelled to load a pod up to it's max and then some but the 1325 is clearly capable of a twenty kilo load, even though only rated for twelve.
"And what's better on the old tripod "
The legs are more rigid than the 3530/3540, based upon my personal observations. I was quite surprised at how willowy the legs, when fully extended were by comparison to the 1325.
My above is not a condemnation of the 3530/3540 legset. My comment is simply that the 1325, with exception to the rotating leg joints, is a very fine and capable legset and hasn't been superseded (with exception of the ALR feature) by the new 6X models. The OP heading is asking for input in regards to comparing New Vs Old and that's all I'm doing in my comments, having experience with both.
If buying for the first time, I'd go with the new version but having the old, based upon what I've seen, the ALR feature when compared to the more rigid legs of the old, it becomes a toss up as to what does one want. In my case, I want rigidity more than I hate spinning leg syndrome cause I have sufficient monies to pick up a new 3540 but I'd just be spending money to say that I have one. I just don't see a cost effective benefit to the upgrade for those who already have a 1325 and are in wonder if the upgrade is worth it and questions what the downside might be.
Rigidness isn't restored until one steps up to the new 5530S and then one loses the light weight gains of the lighter legsets because it's heavier than both the 3540 and the 1325 but it sure is rigid.
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