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This is the Whirlpool Galaxy, Messier Catalog #51 (M51). It's near the star on the end of the Big Dipper's/Plough's "handle", visible in the Northern hemisphere. This is the sum total of 5 hours and 40 minutes of exposure from a very light polluted suburban backyard, taken with a stock Canon Rebel XT/350D at 2000mm focal length.

Millions of light years away, visible only by telescopes at night time, patterns appear in nature on an enormously grand scale. This is a collection of over 100 ~billion~ stars. If you drew a dot 1 millimeter in size, and held it 33cm/~12in from your face (or a 2mm dot at arm's length), it would just cover the same amount of visual area as M51 (based on it's angular size of 11 arc minutes). This is a really small pattern on a visual scale, yet enormously large in reality...

This is also my first entry in the monthly assignment.



Edited by Andrew Welsh on May 21, 2007 at 01:01 PM GMT



May 21, 2007 at 10:45 AM
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Most impressive Should be "Patterns in Space"



May 21, 2007 at 10:49 AM
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Andrew, another wonderful image. I have had an interest in astrophotography since boyhood...back then we used film and tried cooling schemes. I'm interested in what scope you use?..do you use it's native focal length or do you use eye pieces? Last time I read about this seemed many were using web cams to stack images...and I wondered why they didn't just use a digital camera....that you use a Rebel - I imagine - these are quite detailed in their full resolution. Love the variety of color in the stars..adds real depth.


May 21, 2007 at 11:42 AM
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1_of_9 wrote:
Andrew, another wonderful image. I have had an interest in astrophotography since boyhood...back then we used film and tried cooling schemes. I'm interested in what scope you use?..do you use it's native focal length or do you use eye pieces? Last time I read about this seemed many were using web cams to stack images...and I wondered why they didn't just use a digital camera....that you use a Rebel - I imagine - these are quite detailed in their full resolution. Love the variety of color in the stars..adds real depth.


Thanks 1 of 9. Check my profile for my equipment list. This is at the native focal length of the scope, using a t-ring adapter to connect the camera to the back of the scope.

Webcams far outperform DSLR's for astrophotography when photographing very bright objects, which includes: the moon, the sun (properly filtered), mercury, venus, mars, jupiter, saturn, the ISS, Hubble Space Telescope. Uranus and Neptune are dim enough and lack enough detail to the point where a webcam has little advantage over a DSLR. Photographing anything else in the sky, the DSLR wins hands down over the webcam.

The reason is because looking at the night sky is like looking into a swimming pool. The atmosphere distorts and smears the image. If you've seen down a long road on a hot summer day the shimmering mirage, the same effect occurs all the time.. except the telescope enlarges the effect up to 100-300 times. Over 5 hours of exposure it all kind of averages out which is what you see above, but for bright objects like planets, you can catch that still 1/10th of a second where the atmosphere is clear by recording a video with a webcam. And despite the crappy resolution of a webcam, you have the power of numbers on your side. Recording a stream of hundreds of frames in a few minutes, you can then stack the still frames and sharpen the bejeebers out of it to get all of those lovely details.

The "pro" planetary photographers (Google Damian Peach or Chris Go) use astro-dedicated video CCD cameras, which can record high frame rates (30 or 60fps) without any or very little data compression, which allows them to get even more still moments and high-resolution frames. Chris Go started with a webcam himself and ended up getting time on the Hubble, and invited up to the Keck telescope on Mauna Kea in Hawaii (the world's largest), due to his planetary webcamming.



May 21, 2007 at 01:11 PM
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condrup.eu wrote:
Most impressive Should be "Patterns in Space"

Thanks and I did consider that title but it isn't poetic enough for me

BTW I did take this in May (over two nights, the 6th and 18th).



May 21, 2007 at 01:13 PM
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Awesome photo, Andrew! i wasn't aware that such a detailed shot was possible with home-grown equipment. Just wonderful - and a perfect take on the MA. For years I've dreamt of getting an Obsession 25 inch telescope but finding the spare cash for such an indulgence continues to elude me.

All best wishes,

Endre



May 22, 2007 at 02:40 PM
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Amazing I love the image what I wouldn't do to be able to take this kind of shot great work. I cleaned up the image just a little in photoshop because I wanted to see what it looked like cleaned up I hope you do not mind. here it is if you would like to see it. great work again

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5874/m51copyxk1.jpg



May 22, 2007 at 07:16 PM
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beelz wrote:
Amazing I love the image what I wouldn't do to be able to take this kind of shot great work. I cleaned up the image just a little in photoshop because I wanted to see what it looked like cleaned up I hope you do not mind. here it is if you would like to see it. great work again

Beelz:

Thanks for taking the time to try to de-noise the image. The problem is it kills all the fine detail in the sprial arms themselves... so it is less aesthetically pleasing to my eye. Otherwise I would have hit the Noise Ninja hard. My real problem is trying to image from my very light polluted backyard, which forces me to try to pull information out of the muck! I should post a sample single frame to give you an idea...



May 23, 2007 at 01:41 PM
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Andrew, you might want to try using noiseware...I find it works better, and easier than NN or NI.

http://www.imagenomic.com/products.aspx



May 23, 2007 at 02:11 PM
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Absolutely incredible work! Thank you!


May 24, 2007 at 12:12 AM





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