fredmiranda.com
Login

Moderated by: Fred Miranda
  New fredmiranda.com Mobile Site
  New Feature: SMS Notification alert
  New Feature: Buy & Sell Watchlist
  

FM Forums | Canon Forum | Join Upload & Sell

       2       end
  

Archive 2007 · Moon shooting... what equipment next?

  
 
VanIsle
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #1 · Moon shooting... what equipment next?


I enjoy doing landscape photography where the moon is incorporated in the image. Dont get me wrong, there are lots of times where I use my 70-200 for a wider view, but this post is about where to go next for getting an even bigger moon in my frame.

Currently I use a 1D2, and 400/5.6 prime, with 1.4xTC when I need the reach. Of course it is great because I can still AF.

Basically, Canon's 500/4 or 4.5 are out of budget range, so I am considering

a) buy an Xti for its extra reach. The downside here is that I wont be able to AF. Manual focus is fine, but I am concerned that the xti viewfinder is dim to begin with... so how will it be at f/8? Will I still be able to achieve *critical* focus (I say this, because of course I want to be able to catch as much crater detail as possible) by using manual focus and f/8? I am particularily concerned about shots where the moon is a very thin crescent.

b) buy a 2x converter. But again I lose AF. And though the 1D2 vf is quite bright, im sure f/11 won't be so much fun. Also, I know from experiece, that f/8 I am already strating to push my limites for a short enough shutter speed (particularily when a full moon rises at sunset, and is not very bright at all) at an acceptable ISO... going to f/11 , and then stopping down because the 2X will be a bit soft... I worry about shutter speeds.

any great ideas??

I had also pondered the Sigma 50-500 .. but again, wont be able to af once I add my 1.4x, and I worry about the sharpness of it at 500 to begin with (let alone with converter)

tia

jeremy

edited to add: for point of interest ... how much might I find a 500/4.5 for on the used market?



Apr 20, 2007 at 06:06 PM
Guest
Offline
Guest
p.1 #2 · Moon shooting... what equipment next?


I think the XTI is a good idea. On the cheap the bigma with a 2x should work nicely. That will give you a FL of 1000mm. Really tho you want even more. I regularly use 1600mm and think thats not even enough.


Without a german equatorial mount with tracking, that is using a regular tripod, you can get away with around 1/40th of a second. Much slower than that and the earths rotation will blur your picture.

For most of my work I go around iso400 f/18 1/60th depending on the fullness of the moon. Mirror lockup YES. And wait until the vibrations stop.

I have a few moon shots here.






Apr 20, 2007 at 06:18 PM
Grant808
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.1 #3 · Moon shooting... what equipment next?


Hello, fellow 'lunatic'

My first (and cheapest) suggestion would be to try a Kenko Pro 300 1.4x behind your 400/5.6 and Canon 1.4x. with your 1D2 first. It should still AF without any tricks or tape on bright subjects like the moon.

Grant



Apr 20, 2007 at 06:23 PM
VanIsle
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #4 · Moon shooting... what equipment next?


Thanks Pete.... some really nice shots you linked

Im worried about how the IQ of my 400 prime will hold up with a 2x... putting it on the bigma scares me to be honest.

Actually, for my purposes, even 1000mm is more than I need. As I mentioned, I like to keep some landscape in my scenes... so after a point the moon will be so big, theres no room left

I did some critical testing at one point, and modified the traditional 'rule of thumb' (for having no motion blur) so that I try and keep my shutter speed to be a minimum of 87.5/focal length (for 1.3 crop bodies)
So at 400mm i can get away with 1/5s
at 560mm (400 with 1.4) 1/8s
I have viewed 400% crops to get here... I can probably go a little slower.. the numbers err on the side of caution. (i imagine your even faster ss is a result of the longer focal lengths youre using).

heres a few...

http://www3.telus.net/public/santadog/fm/moons/moonsept2.jpg


http://www3.telus.net/public/santadog/fm/moons/moonsept3.jpg


http://www3.telus.net/public/santadog/fm/moons/oct3.jpg


http://www3.telus.net/public/santadog/fm/oct11/20061006_0603.jpg



Apr 20, 2007 at 06:34 PM
VanIsle
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #5 · Moon shooting... what equipment next?


not a bad idea grant... I hadnt thought of doubling up on the 1.4 TC's


Apr 20, 2007 at 06:37 PM
Guest
Offline
Guest
p.1 #6 · Moon shooting... what equipment next?


#2 is awesome, Jeremy!


Apr 20, 2007 at 08:02 PM
jcolwell
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.1 #7 · Moon shooting... what equipment next?


Beautiful shots. Here's a few that I took in March while at sea from the bridge of a moving ship.

Edited by jcolwell on Apr 21, 2007 at 05:13 AM GMT



Apr 20, 2007 at 08:10 PM
jcolwell
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.1 #8 · Moon shooting... what equipment next?


...and


Apr 20, 2007 at 08:11 PM
jcolwell
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.1 #9 · Moon shooting... what equipment next?


..and the eclipse.


Apr 20, 2007 at 08:14 PM
jcolwell
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.1 #10 · Moon shooting... what equipment next?


P.S. an EF 500/4.5 goes for about $3500 (Lens price database, Lens$db), and a Nikon Nikkor 400/3.5*ED IF MF is about $1300.

OTOH, you could use a shorter and faster lens if you could get closer...



Apr 20, 2007 at 08:17 PM
jcolwell
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.1 #11 · Moon shooting... what equipment next?


...and here's a 300/4 L IS + 2x Extender on tripod on my deck (not at sea).


Apr 20, 2007 at 08:40 PM
Grant808
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.1 #12 · Moon shooting... what equipment next?


Setting in the AM:


Apr 20, 2007 at 08:56 PM
Grant808
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.1 #13 · Moon shooting... what equipment next?


A little noisy:


Apr 20, 2007 at 08:58 PM
BennyR
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #14 · Moon shooting... what equipment next?


Nice shots guys.

I wouldn't be too afraid of the 2X TC. I think it gets a bad rap. This is just with the 400/5.6L and 2X and cropped a bit. It's also from near sea level through a bit of haze.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c245/benspics_1957/IMG_1045alcrnnsh2sm.jpg

Edited by BennyR on Apr 20, 2007 at 06:12 PM GMT



Apr 20, 2007 at 09:11 PM
Grant808
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.1 #15 · Moon shooting... what equipment next?


Using the stacked 1.4x converters on the 200/2.8:


Apr 20, 2007 at 09:12 PM
Benny L
Offline

Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #16 · Moon shooting... what equipment next?


I will be taking delivery of a Meade 14 inch LX200R scope next week


Apr 20, 2007 at 09:30 PM
Benny L
Offline

Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #17 · Moon shooting... what equipment next?


My 10 inch has a focal lenght of 2500mm which will give me a result similar to BennyR's first cropped shot, on a 1Ds Mkii


Apr 20, 2007 at 09:38 PM
Tom_W
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #18 · Moon shooting... what equipment next?


The 400/5.6 with a 2X teleconverter will force you to manually focus. But that task is much easier on the 1DII than it would be on the 350D/400D body with its very small viewfinder.

Alternatively, a 300/4 with a 2X will AF on the 1D2, and if you stack the Canon 2X and 1.4X (Mk II versions), the camera will still auto-focus because the second teleconverter doesn't register its presence in the AF system. The focusing will be a bit spotty with the f/11 combination, though.

The 5D seems to like the 400/2.8, 2X, and 1.4X stacked.....

http://www.pbase.com/photosbytom/image/76363978.jpg



Apr 20, 2007 at 09:43 PM
Volleybob
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #19 · Moon shooting... what equipment next?


Photoshop and any of the images above.


Apr 20, 2007 at 11:15 PM
UCSB
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #20 · Moon shooting... what equipment next?


You can use Canon's (or a cheaper third party) angle finder on the XTi with 2x magnification to assist with focus.


Apr 21, 2007 at 12:09 AM
       2       end




FM Forums | Canon Forum | Join Upload & Sell

       2       end
    
 

Welcome back
Log in to your account