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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · •Hands-On• Leica DMR

Carry on...

Dec 20, 2006 at 04:52 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · •Hands-On• Leica DMR

So is the DMR better than the ..... - only kidding

Please pay your respects to the original DMR Bible and all those who started, contributed and maintained it. Gone it may be - but not forgotten.

Dec 20, 2006 at 05:13 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · •Hands-On• Leica DMR

Why don't we pay tribute by making this thread a useful continuation of it? If there is any possibility of retrieving any of the 'DMR Bible' information, I can assure you that its future existence will only be as an archive here at FM.com, not as an active thread (due to its deletion by the OP).

I'd prefer not to see ongoing discussion of 'current events' here, but rather, focus this thread on the qualities and characteristics of the DMR.

Thanks,

Jeff
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Dec 20, 2006 at 05:21 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · •Hands-On• Leica DMR

Jeff, why are topics you start kept at the top through the use of an anchor? Why not allow it to find its place and live or die based on member interest in contributing? That would be one significant way to pay tribute to the former thread -- let's see if it measures up, rather than being artificially propped up.

Just a thought.

Steven

Dec 20, 2006 at 07:53 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · •Hands-On• Leica DMR

steven, that is a bit harsh, I think. The intention is good enough: that there is a central place to dump info, which we don't have to worry about losing due to inactivity, and that the thread is safe.

I would encourage DMR users to continue here. Losing future posts would be even worse than losing past posts.

Dec 21, 2006 at 02:06 AM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · •Hands-On• Leica DMR

Some seem to be interested to have a look into this thread.....

http://www.pbase.com/tstreng/image/64764010.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/tstreng/image/60211136.jpg

Dec 21, 2006 at 03:05 AM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · •Hands-On• Leica DMR

brainiac wrote:
Haha ;-)

What _is_ your first creature

dont know, something I met at the zoo.

this guy tried to read the DMR-bible in one day:
(all DMR-images)
http://www.pbase.com/tstreng/image/64764011.jpg

Dec 21, 2006 at 06:45 AM

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carstenw wrote:
steven, that is a bit harsh, I think. The intention is good enough: that there is a central place to dump info, which we don't have to worry about losing due to inactivity, and that the thread is safe.

I would encourage DMR users to continue here. Losing future posts would be even worse than losing past posts.

Carsten, I respectfully disagree. I don't question the intention for starting up the thread. But a thread that is started by a contributor and mostly exists on page one because members keep on contributing and staying involved is almost by definition likely to be more interesting than one that is pegged to the top of the page and is given an official impremateur. The official thread is on page one regardless of the actual level of interest in the subject or in the contributors/ opinions/ information/ images being presented, so it can get lazy and draw a different crowd and different level of contribution.

The most interesting threads -- in terms of enjoying to read, educational worth, level of inspiration provided, and sometimes all of the above -- are ones that take on a life of their own, sometimes by odd and circiutous routes. I think the odds of that are much less with a thread that is artificially kept in a prominent spot.

Your thread on the M8 was starting to be a good example of the difference -- of the value of a non-official thread that was growing and not falling into the archive because it captured the imagination.

I'm less interested in safe threads and more in dynamic, confident ones, and I guess I believe the two rarely meet.

Best, Steven

Dec 21, 2006 at 12:41 PM

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Steven,
However, I also noticed that messages w/o real contents were posted to "keep it going at the first page". Those would be against your spirit too.

Dec 21, 2006 at 12:48 PM

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I agree with Pondria on this. I just wish they would give Leica users their own forum. I'm tired of the sea of Leica and it should be a sea of Foveon

.... don't get your panties in a wad that was just some lame humor.

regards and Merry Christmas holidays,
Larry

Dec 21, 2006 at 12:54 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · •Hands-On• Leica DMR

Larry: too bad the SD14 got delayed. Comparisons between that and the M8 might have been more entertaining. Doug

Dec 21, 2006 at 01:57 PM

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Doug Morgan wrote:
Larry: too bad the SD14 got delayed. Comparisons between that and the M8 might have been more entertaining. Doug

Yes, that was sad for me. Oh well, I just have to endure a few more months. I'm glad they decided to fix it now than the users having to go through the M8 saga.

Dec 21, 2006 at 02:22 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · •Hands-On• Leica DMR

The SD14 Bible......

We could start the bible now, and extol the perfection of a camera. Then act offended when short coming are found in the actual camera. Then switch the thread over to arguing about the 5D.

Then Guy will hack the new forum software and delete the SD14 thread.

I take comfort in predictability.

Dec 21, 2006 at 02:43 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · •Hands-On• Leica DMR

rofl...
Merry Christmas David? dcmiller

Dec 21, 2006 at 02:46 PM

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Pondria wrote:
Steven,
However, I also noticed that messages w/o real contents were posted to "keep it going at the first page". Those would be against your spirit too.

yup.

But somehow less heavy handed, more informal and unpredictable, and can't prop up a thread forever and drown out or "fold in" others as easily.

Not the end of the world by any means though, although you now have a forum that has the top third of the page devoted to "official" threads. On a personal level, just find that much less interesting.

But just one point of view, and best for the holidays and enjoy the threads.

Dec 21, 2006 at 04:18 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · •Hands-On• Leica DMR

I think there is enough interest in the DMR here that it won't be so important whether the thread is official or not. That is certainly the case with the M8 thread. We just need to get over this initial stage of awkwardness and reluctance, and things will flow again.

Dec 21, 2006 at 09:45 PM

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carstenw wrote:
I think there is enough interest in the DMR here that it won't be so important whether the thread is official or not. That is certainly the case with the M8 thread. We just need to get over this initial stage of awkwardness and reluctance, and things will flow again.

My word Carsten, what an interesting response. Considering it was your thread that was erased for no apparent reason. I'm not sure if I would have chosen the word awkward to describe what this is about. But then again, nor would I have considered the word safe to describe a positive attribute of a thread about something that I would want to learn or be insired by.

Wish you the best for the new year and look forward to seeing some of your images as you contribute to the flow that the thread develops in its official perch.

Steven

Dec 21, 2006 at 11:33 PM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · •Hands-On• Leica DMR

As a late comer to the party (bought my DMR this August) I had always meant to read through the 'Bible' page by page but kind of just had enough time to keep up with the new posts.

It seems like it was kind of hard to search through the old thread for information too as often one would just get sent to the first page - so you knew that the info you wanted was in there maybe but hard to page through and find it.

Well maybe Fred and his team will be able to restore the thread and maybe not, but it would be really helpful to me an perhaps any other newcomers if people would start reposting some of their tips and tricks or even just favorites.

Since I'm also getting aquainted with Leica I'd love to know for example what people are shooting with their DMR's and what is their most useful lens and why. I know the crop factor changes the way people use certain lenses.

What RAW converter and which settings do people prefer. Do the ACR advanced settings work in Lightroom?

And of course I would love to see some images you've all taken, with what lenses and how you processed them.

Thanks in advance!
Eric Hiss

Dec 21, 2006 at 11:45 PM

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Doug Morgan wrote:
Larry: too bad the SD14 got delayed. Comparisons between that and the M8 might have been more entertaining. Doug

Sigma would never have been given a second chance if the SD14 was launched with the problems of the M8 at its launch. Sigma are doing the right thing by delaying the launch to fix some issues beforehand.

Dec 22, 2006 at 03:05 AM

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stevenrk wrote:
My word Carsten, what an interesting response. Considering it was your thread that was erased for no apparent reason. I'm not sure if I would have chosen the word awkward to describe what this is about. But then again, nor would I have considered the word safe to describe a positive attribute of a thread about something that I would want to learn or be insired by.

Wish you the best for the new year and look forward to seeing some of your images as you contribute to the flow that the thread develops in its official perch.

Steven

I am not exactly pleased that my thread was joined with the official one (not erased), but I don't want to dwell on it either. When I started my separate M8 thread, the official M8 thread was going to hell in a handbasket, but since then things have calmed down considerably, and people seem to get along again, so I am okay with just waiting and seeing what happens.

When I said "safe", I meant that the contents would not be nuked again. I have no idea what those contents will be. I think that this thread is so far 50% the two of us discussing about this thread because when a 10000 post, 1138 page thread with nearly a million views disappears, it is a bit like being punched in the stomach. I am not happy about it, but let's move on. Nearly all the original contributors are still here, and if enough DMR-curious ask questions, I am sure we will be able to re-post the most significant material. I think probably the only thing which is lost is the DMR vs. 1Ds2 part of the thread, and I do have that part in a PDF. We just have to figure out how to deal with that material, and then we can repost it somewhere else. The pictures from those days were already almost gone anyway.

I'll be around over the holidays. I burned through my vacation days too fast this year

Merry Christmas, and see you around.

Dec 22, 2006 at 05:16 AM

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