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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · •Hands-On• Leica M8


Cindy Flood wrote:
Once you get to the Magnum page, there is a link (on the right side of the page) to his M8 work. Very nice presentation.


Found it thanks....it looks like he found the saturation slider!



Nov 03, 2006 at 08:57 PM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · •Hands-On• Leica M8


I liked the doughnut stand the best.


Nov 03, 2006 at 09:22 PM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · •Hands-On• Leica M8


You can still use collapsible lenses on the M8, you just can't collapse them -- they'll bump the metal shutter, which spells shutter jam and a trip to Doctor Leica.



Nov 03, 2006 at 11:37 PM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · •Hands-On• Leica M8


By the way, I figured the first time I hand someone the M8 with the Summitar on it, they'll try to collapse it. It's a given.

Enter my fantastic Summiguard:
http://www.rockgarden.net/download/summiguard.jpg

Made from a piece of hi-tech 25mm rubber garden hose, cut into a suitable piece and wrapped around the lens, it in a manner most spiffy prevents the average hamfisted gorilla from pushing the lens into the shutter.



Nov 03, 2006 at 11:50 PM
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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · •Hands-On• Leica M8


My M8 streaks at 1250 ISO in night photos. Is this usual ?

Edmund



Nov 04, 2006 at 05:48 AM
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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · •Hands-On• Leica M8


I saw the photo you are referring to: long exposure, street light, high contrast max ISO. That will push any sensor to or even over its limit. I would say, yes, welcome to the digital world. I feel, if the composition would have been slightly different, it might have stayed within the ability of the sensor, or alternately, two stops underexposure and recover in RAW would have negated that problem.


Nov 04, 2006 at 07:00 AM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · •Hands-On• Leica M8


No, you haven't seen the photos I refer to, because they are my own photos. They are short exposures of around 1/30 s.

Edmund



Nov 04, 2006 at 07:22 AM
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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · •Hands-On• Leica M8


eronald wrote:
My M8 streaks at 1250 ISO in night photos. Is this usual ?

Edmund


Edmund:

I just tried runnning a picture through Band Aide by Camera Bits. It was a photoshop pluging designed when the early Nikon D1 had very bad banding problems at 800ios and higher. It seemed to work very well on the banding in the sample image Pascal posted on the Leica Forums. I had used the weak setting and 50% You might want to download the demo and try it on the full size file.

http://www.camerabits.com/



Nov 04, 2006 at 07:26 AM
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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · •Hands-On• Leica M8


I had similar issues on my 1Ds, had the sensor changed and the problems went away permanently. I will send the pix to Solms directly and ask them what I should do; the camera works beautifully up to 640 for now, and in the worst case I think that a later sample, in a year or so will be perfect.

For now, I'll just take my new camera into the freezing Paris sunny day out there ...

Edmund



Nov 04, 2006 at 07:36 AM
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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · •Hands-On• Leica M8


This is a link of a very good slide show by Constantine Manos, of Magnum and his use of the M8 as well as stuning work with other M's and film.

In Everything Beautiful, There is Something Strange

http://inmotion.magnumphotos.com/essays/color.aspx

See the M8 section.



Nov 04, 2006 at 10:15 AM
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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · •Hands-On• Leica M8


M8 arrived this morning. More later. :-)


Nov 04, 2006 at 11:27 AM
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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · •Hands-On• Leica M8


Anyone know what lens he used on the M8?


Nov 04, 2006 at 11:31 AM
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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · •Hands-On• Leica M8


eronald wrote:
No, you haven't seen the photos I refer to, because they are my own photos. They are short exposures of around 1/30 s.

Edmund


Sorry, I thought you meant the ones mentioned on RFF.



Nov 04, 2006 at 12:57 PM
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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · •Hands-On• Leica M8


cactusclay wrote:
Anyone know what lens he used on the M8?

From the photo of him and his M8 it looks like the 35 cron

Woody



Nov 04, 2006 at 03:33 PM
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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · •Hands-On• Leica M8


I put a DNG up on the Leica forum, english, you can download it if you want.

Edmund



Nov 04, 2006 at 04:44 PM
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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · •Hands-On• Leica M8


williamcarter wrote:
M8 arrived this morning. More later. :-)


William - love the people/streetscape images on your website. Would you mind me asking what you shot those with? Look forward to seeing what you do with the M8!

Sue



Nov 04, 2006 at 05:35 PM
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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · •Hands-On• Leica M8


Sue,

Thanks so much for the compliment. One day, I'll get around to adding the rest of my images to the site! All 5 images currently in that section of my portfolio were actually shot with different cameras. The first was shot with the Nikon D200, the second with the Canon 1Ds Mk II, the third with the Leica DMR, the fourt with a Canon G3, and the fifth with the 1Ds Mk II.

As for the M8, will post impressions and sample images a bit later when I get a chance.



Nov 04, 2006 at 06:45 PM
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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · •Hands-On• Leica M8


OK, here are my very unscientific first impressions of the M8. This'll be quick because I'm tired. (and please excuse any typos).

(1) Feel/Handling: While it's truly a beautifully made camera, it feels noticeably different from the Leica MP I have. I have them both here and they just feel different. Perhaps its more elctronics in the M8 versus more metal in the MP. I used to have an M7 and my subjective reaction is that the M8 feels more like the M7 than like the MP. It's not really a fair comparison, since the MP is one of the finest crafted cameras I've ever used. And it's not that the M8 feels "bad," it's just that I was struck by the difference. The size, weight, smoothness of the controls was a pleasure.

(2) Operation/Menu: For the most part, the menu system is clear and well thought out and easy to use. On the other hand, there is one significant stupidity: there are some menu functions that are set by pressing the "Menu" button and others that can only be reached by pressing the "Set" button while the camera is is in shooting mode. Aside from not being able to see any obvious reason for splitting what are all essentially "Menu" settings in this way, the idiocy is multiplied by the fact that I have to remember to press "Set" rather than "Menu" to change ISO because that's where ISO lives ont he M8. My annoyance is further compounded by the fact that the DMR I used to own had an actual buttom -- not a menu selection, but a button -- to change ISO, meaning I could always do it "on the fly" without having to think about it or dive thru menus. So, someone on the Leica design team, at least in the past, realized the importance of making ISO immediately accessible at all times. I think Michael Reichmann might have said this in his review: with digital, ISO is now the third shooting variable, along with aperture and shutter speed, and it needs to be as easily accessible as aperture and shutter speed.

(3) Viewfinder: I only got a chance to pop a couple of frames with the M8 today, with the 35mm Summicron and the 50mm Summilux. The 35mm framelines are easy to use; the 50mm framelines look tiny! (As compared to how they look in my MP). Somewhere, I have the Leica 1.25X magnifier that I bought specifically in anticipation of the M8, but I can't find the damn thing -- it's so tiny, it's probably stuck in the corner of a camera bag somewhere! :-) Anyway, I imaging I'll have the 1.25x mag permanently attached to the M8.

(4) Focus: I found that I had trouble nailing critically sharp focus. I wasn't off by much, but it's noticeable. Part of that is that I was shooting at large apertures (1.4-2.0), and partially because of how large the rangefinder patch is in comparison to the 50mm (effective 66mm) framelines. I'm a little frightened of how difficult it'll be to foucs my 75mm.

(5) Noise: none at ISO 160. A bit at ISO 640, but not objectionable. Didn't go higher than that.

(6) White Balance: I used auto WB, and it was OK, but only OK. About the same as the Leica DMR, which is to say, not as good as the auto WB on Canon/Nikon.

In short, I dig the camera thus. Gotta spend more time with it, though, to really learn how to maximize it. I'm sure that I won't be using it primarily in studio settings, but rather, for travel, street, and documentary work, b/c that's where rangefinders really shine.

Below are a couple of sample images. The first image in each pair is the JPEG straight out of the camera; the second image in each pair is with my usual base sharpening, gray balance, and levels adjustment. (But with my usual skin smoothing, blemish removal, etc). Please don't take these shots as indicative of my "serious" work; as I said, these were just a couple of shots between setups to test the M8; the "serious" shots were with my medium format rig.



Edited by williamcarter on Nov 04, 2006 at 09:38 PM GMT



Nov 04, 2006 at 09:29 PM
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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · •Hands-On• Leica M8


(1)(a)

(ISO 160, 50mm 'lux, about f2)

Edited by williamcarter on Nov 05, 2006 at 08:58 AM GMT



Nov 04, 2006 at 09:30 PM
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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · •Hands-On• Leica M8


(1)(b)



Nov 04, 2006 at 09:32 PM
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