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>> A new 35mm L lens
No need for it

I agree. What is wrong with the current one?

Nothing wrong with it, just going on a hunch that earlier this year several of the photo dealers were out of stock including the big name dealers and the fact a lot of used ones went up for sale, much like last year when a lot of photographers were selling their 1Ds Mark II's prior to the 5D announcement.
Could be all a coincidence that supply simply ran out and it took longer to resupply the dealers, and those that were selling used ones took advantage of the market conditions to sell but if the lens is as good as many claim why did so many sell off their 35mmL.





Aug 03, 2006 at 08:50 AM
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So in the end I'm just reading between the lines that a low supply at a rtime that there should have been plenty of stock, many selling off used ones at the same time, someone even commented on the buy and sell here there seemed to be a lot of 35mmL being sold, and since Canon seems to occasionally improves various lens Im just making a big assumption based on a moment in time


Aug 03, 2006 at 08:58 AM
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p.12 #3 · p.12 #3 · An official Canon teaser


So, as usual, after 28 pages of this thread, no one really knows anything about what's coming...


Aug 03, 2006 at 10:04 AM
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p.12 #4 · p.12 #4 · An official Canon teaser


Thanks for summing it up so I don't have to read the whole thread. ;-)

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Aug 03, 2006 at 10:36 AM
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Aquasimodo wrote:
The 5D (only real selling point is the full-frame) has not blown crop cameras out of the water in sales


Sigh, another 5D bashing by a non-5D user.
The 5D is a unique camera, seemingly paving the way for a new Canon lineup for pros who do not need all the 1-series facilities.

I really hope there is something new, (3D ) because I have $15 in a bet that Canon will come out with a new camera at all this fall, against a friend who insists he has "insider" information that they will not. Poor him. Like they won´t come out with a new camera this fall

After Photokina, somebody should volunteer to reread all 650 pages of this thread and see who on this board really knows what they are talking about so they can simply be called upon December-ish to fill us in on the status of the February releases. Much easier.



Aug 03, 2006 at 06:54 PM
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24Peter wrote:
So, as usual, after 28 pages of this thread, no one really knows anything about what's coming...

I will give you a hint:
Last year, Canon USA Inc. gave rebates on two EOS DSLR models that ended on July 15. The two models were the EOS 20D and EOS-1D Mark II. And almost 1 year (Aug 22) ago, two new models were announced, EOS 5D and EOS-1D Mark II N.

This year, Canon USA Inc. again gave rebates on two EOS DSLR models, the EOS Rebel XT (EOS 350D) and EOS 5D. One of these two models will be replaced, with the other's successor being announced prior to next February's PMA Show 2007. It is a question of which one's successor is being announced on Aug 24th this year.

BTW, this practise by Canon USA is not new, has been around since the film-based EOS models. Each time a rebate campaign was aimed at a particular film model, there would be a new successor announced prior to the next major photo trade show - either Photokina or PMA.

My 2 cents.



Aug 04, 2006 at 04:26 AM
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ovredal73 wrote:
Sigh, another 5D bashing by a non-5D user.
The 5D is a unique camera, seemingly paving the way for a new Canon lineup for pros who do not need all the 1-series facilities.

I really hope there is something new, (3D ) because I have $15 in a bet that Canon will come out with a new camera at all this fall, against a friend who insists he has "insider" information that they will not. Poor him. Like they won´t come out with a new camera this fall

After Photokina, somebody should volunteer to reread all 650 pages of this thread
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Whether the comment on the 5D is bashing or not, the reality is that the 5D has not blown crop cameras out of the water. From my conversations with dealers and past polls here, the 20D/30D outsells the 5D by about 50 to 1 (yes, I was surprised too). Given that Canon is out to sell cameras you can bet they have noticed the difference in sales as well and will respond accordingly. If they don't then they won't be around in a few years and the heated discussions on future products will just be a fond memory.



Aug 04, 2006 at 05:41 AM
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Whether the comment on the 5D is bashing or not, the reality is that the 5D has not blown crop cameras out of the water. From my conversations with dealers and past polls here, the 20D/30D outsells the 5D by about 50 to 1 (yes, I was surprised too). Given that Canon is out to sell cameras you can bet they have noticed the difference in sales as well and will respond accordingly. If they don't then they won't be around in a few years and the heated discussions on future products will just be a fond memory.


Why would anyone think Canon introduced the 5D with the idea of putting its own 350XT and 30D out of business? By your reasoning, Canon would do well to drop the 1D cameras as well, 'cause the 30D outsells them, too.

All of Canon's lineup (Nikon's too) consists of cameras intended for specific market segments. The 5D is not intended for the same market segment as the 30D. It's not intended to entice a 20D owner to upgrade.

The 5D is intended for a different person completely--the person who would have bought a Kodak SLR/c, or who is still holding on to his film camera because he prefers 24x36mm (for whatever reason).



Aug 04, 2006 at 06:23 AM
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Hrow wrote:
Whether the comment on the 5D is bashing or not, the reality is that the 5D has not blown crop cameras out of the water. From my conversations with dealers and past polls here, the 20D/30D outsells the 5D by about 50 to 1 (yes, I was surprised too). Given that Canon is out to sell cameras you can bet they have noticed the difference in sales as well and will respond accordingly. If they don't then they won't be around in a few years and the heated discussions on future products will just be a fond memory.


Even as a 5d owner, I too have been "accused" of bashing it. I've stated publically that it was over priced (today I think $2300 is right, after Photokina, perhaps $1800), called it a 30d with FF sensor (it is) and think many things (FPS, VF, flash sync, etc.) can and should be improved. That said, I think it's a good camera for the current market but would love to have an updated replacement with more of everything except weight.

As for the cropped cameras outselling the 5d, well Duh!! That's a big surprise, kind of like saying the sun will come up tomorrow. We've all known for a long time that 5d sales were slower than the xxd or XT cameras. How many people can afford a $2500 body with no lenses when they can have a $1300 body and a few lenses for less money? Where's the surprise? Why do you think so many DRebels/XTs have sold? They're cheap, that's why; it certainly isn't because they have so many features.

The camera market comprises educated and uneducated (or at least "seriously under informed") consumers with the latter far out numbering the former. Irrespective of the photographers frequenting forums such as this, the majority of the buying public doesn't want to spend $20k+ on camera gear.

I don't want Canon to waste any more money or time on cropped cameras (DSLRs) and would rather see lower priced and more completely featured FF cameras. Personally, I hope the only "cropped" camera that survive and incorporate APS-C sized sensors are the P&S cameras; now that would be a step forward.

As for 1.6x crop DSLRs, I don't think I'll ever purchase one again.



Aug 04, 2006 at 07:20 AM
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RDKirk wrote:
All of Canon's lineup (Nikon's too) consists of cameras intended for specific market segments. The 5D is not intended for the same market segment as the 30D. It's not intended to entice a 20D owner to upgrade.

The 5D is intended for a different person completely--the person who would have bought a Kodak SLR/c, or who is still holding on to his film camera because he prefers 24x36mm (for whatever reason).


Very true and exactly my point about a need for a 3D. The APSC models need a range-topper as well. Hopefully this year will see that happen.



Aug 04, 2006 at 07:23 AM
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Canon makes a range of cameras to cover virtually all of the digital camera market. The 5D is part of that range.

The volume of models in that range will vary significantly.

While I don't know the cost of each of the models (cost of goods sold), the profit contribution may be much closer model to model in an absolute sense even if the volumes are not.

J.



Aug 04, 2006 at 07:45 AM
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While I don't know the cost of each of the models (cost of goods sold), the profit contribution may be much closer model to model in an absolute sense even if the volumes are not.

Or maybe not. Canon will have sales goals for each model and may not expect nearly the same profit from the high ranges than the lower ranges (in fact, sales figures they've released for years have confirmed that they've always made most of their money from the cheaper cameras).

It's bad marketing and business for either Nikon or Canon to ignore any part of the total market. Their high-end visibility sells more low-end cameras. Canon's goal will be to have the greater overall share of the entire DSLR market.



Aug 04, 2006 at 12:10 PM
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Very true and exactly my point about a need for a 3D. The APSC models need a range-topper as well. Hopefully this year will see that happen.


I expect Canon to release a camera with a 24x36mm sensor, 8fps, 16mp, and a DIGIC III processor for $4500-$5000. Their execs have said that much already. That will be your "3D," but it will probably be a 1D.

They may also release a 1Ds 24x36mm, 4fp, 20+mp camera for $8000+. That's the latest rumor. Maybe so, but nobody from Canon has said it.

The 5D will probably be fixed at a MAP of $2800 until it's revamped in another year.

A "pro quality" Canon APS-C camera isn't ever going to happen--the senior Canon-Europe exec has already said that in the future "all but the least expensive" Canon DSLRs will be 24x36mm.



Aug 04, 2006 at 12:17 PM
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RDKirk wrote:
I expect Canon to release a camera with a 24x36mm sensor, 8fps, 16mp, and a DIGIC III processor for $4500-$5000. Their execs have said that much already. That will be your "3D," but it will probably be a 1D.

They may also release a 1Ds 24x36mm, 4fp, 20+mp camera for $8000+. That's the latest rumor. Maybe so, but nobody from Canon has said it.

The 5D will probably be fixed at a MAP of $2800 until it's revamped in another year.

A "pro quality" Canon APS-C camera isn't ever going to happen--the senior Canon-Europe exec has already said that in the future
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Trouble is many don't want a 1 series sized camera. It won't be a 3D and even at $4500 it's still too dear for many even disregarding size and weight. I'd take with a bucket of salt what so-called Canon execs have said. The market is dynamic and blanket statements are worthless.



Aug 05, 2006 at 04:56 AM
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>> I expect Canon to release a camera with a 24x36mm sensor, 8fps, 16mp, and a DIGIC III processor for $4500-$5000. Their execs have said that much already.

Where?



Aug 05, 2006 at 05:09 AM
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Pixel Perfect wrote:

Here is part of a leaked document that's come into my possession:

"...Also for the first time Canon will be employing 2.75" OLED display screen, offering superior resolution, brightness and power consumption to LCD screens and having markedly better performance in bright daylight."

Comment to the above:

You should be aware that OLED displays have vastly shorter lifespans than LCD. There are already far better solutions than OLED, and Canon is probably working with them too.

Bogatyr



Aug 05, 2006 at 06:28 AM
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bogatyr wrote:
Pixel Perfect wrote: Here is part of a leaked document that's come into my possession: "...Also for the first time Canon will be employing 2.75" OLED display screen, offering superior resolution, brightness and power consumption to LCD screens and having markedly better performance in bright daylight."

Comment to the above: You should be aware that OLED displays have vastly shorter lifespans than LCD. There are already far better solutions than OLED, and Canon is probably working with them too.


Pixel Perfect is hoaxing you, bogatyr.



Aug 05, 2006 at 06:49 AM
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bogatyr wrote:
Pixel Perfect wrote:

Here is part of a leaked document that's come into my possession:

"...Also for the first time Canon will be employing 2.75" OLED display screen, offering superior resolution, brightness and power consumption to LCD screens and having markedly better performance in bright daylight."

Comment to the above:

You should be aware that OLED displays have vastly shorter lifespans than LCD. There are already far better solutions than OLED, and Canon is probably working with them too.

Bogatyr

Nope. Canon like the OLED technology, and see it coming in their cameras.
http://www.dslrphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/Future_DSLRs.pdf
Chuck Westfall is the Media communications director for Canon USA.
OLEDs are shorter lifespan than LCDs, but that is being worked on, and 'shrter' in any case in this context is around 15000 hours - not suitable for some applications, but it gives you over 4 years of shooting 10hours a day on a caemra, every day of the year!
Pixel Perfect is hoaxing though.
Regards,
DaveMart



Aug 05, 2006 at 07:56 AM
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I'd take with a bucket of salt what so-called Canon execs have said. The market is dynamic and blanket statements are worthless.

Don't you remember when Canon-Spain execs said in February of 2005 that in the fall there would be a completely new camera between the 20D and the 1D? Then that October there was the leaded 5D specification--in Spanish.

The only real "intelligence" we have are the statements of the execs, and we have at least this one case where they were on the money (even if rather vague). There is no intelligence whatsoever for any other speculatory assertions.

Given the length of time for camera cycles, (business requirement establishment, R&D, tooling, training, et cetera), most of whatever we'll see at ths Photokina must have been pretty well established by even the last Photokina. They should have had a very good idea of what they would be capable of doing and should have already committed to 90 percent of whatever the "Photokina 2006" camera was going to be.

If you go to the Canon Museum site and read the detailed story of the design and birth of the T-90, you will see that even though the T-90 was obsoleted by the Maxxum 7000 a full year before the T-90 was released, the process was too far along for them to stop. The had to release the T-90 and recoup as much of the R&D and production costs as possible before they could delve into what autofocusing was all about.



Aug 05, 2006 at 03:21 PM
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Pixel Perfect wrote:
Trouble is many don't want a 1 series sized camera. It won't be a 3D and even at $4500 it's still too dear for many even disregarding size and weight. I'd take with a bucket of salt what so-called Canon execs have said. The market is dynamic and blanket statements are worthless.


Very true. Canon's statements seem to vary depending on the market it was released in and what the competition are doing at the time.

If Canon do release a mini-1D with the APSC sensor, it'll need to be $2500 at most. The 1D2n will likely get a significant upgrade soon so a $3500 crop body won't make sense.



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