p.2 #2 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
Plenty happy with my 20D at the moment.
The only way I would make the jump to a 30D or whatever it is if it was more than 10mp and more than 5 frames a second. Too happy with the images from my 20D at the present moment.
p.2 #3 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
Haven't been tempted by the 5D and am not tempted by the 30D. The 20D has everything I need at the moment.
I'll have to think about the 17-55. I need a walk-around lens - but the price is a bit steep for that. Oh, and then there's the 85L I've been eyeing for a while. ;-)
So, on the whole I'm much more tempted by lenses than bodies....
p.2 #4 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
It's obvious to me that Canon has decided NOT to upgrade the 20D and I will not be side-grading (the 30D is not an upgrade IMO). If anything, I will be going for a 1 series body but will stick with a crop factor so maybe a used 1D Mark II? I'm very happy with my 20D and will continue to hone my photographic skills before even thinking about an upgrade. However, that 17-55mm lens looks pretty good for anybody starting out or sticking with an efs compatible body and I think I may get me one to try out!
p.2 #5 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
The 30D has a bunch of little extras that make it tempting (3.5% spot meter in particular), but in reality I just can't see it as an "upgrade" to my 20D. They almost got ISO in the viewfinder right, and the bigger LCD would be handy at times.
They should have just named it the 20D Mk II.
The 17-55/2.8 IS has some promise, but for the retail cost I'll pass ($650 - $700 would be closer). My 17-85 IS has more general versatility and the Sigma 500 flash overcomes most of my low light shootiing issues.
p.2 #7 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
I was thinking of picking up another 20D at the beginning of January when they still had the rebates. I like the 20D that I have, but I wanted it pick up an extra body. I'm glad I waited, I'll get the 30D in a few months, but not to replace the 20D, just to have an extra body. I'm also glad it looks like the grip from the 20D will fit on the 30D. I'll have to wait a while for a 5D or a 1 Series
p.2 #10 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
I've used a 20D as a back-up/second body to my 1DII. It has served me very well. If I didn't have a 20D, I'd look forward to getting the 30D to use as a second body because of the spot meter, ability to adjust ISO in 1/3 stop increments, and larger RAW buffer alone. However, since I already have a 20D, it will serve me fine. While I like the ability to adjust ISO in 1/3 stop increments on my 1DII, being "stuck" with full stop increments is something I can live with. The larger RAW buffer would be nice, but, even as a burst shooter, at "only" 5 fps, I don't fill up the buffer on the 20D that often, and, even when I do, it clears so fast that the buffer depth is almost irrelevant. Even if the 20D buffer does fill, a second or so later, it can shoot another 3 or 4 shot burst. The spot meter would be nice, but it is not essential. I don't chimp a lot, and, to me, the larger LCD is irrelevant. For me, the AF on the 20D gets the job done, and, if I use it properly, will continue to do so. The other changes are irrelevant.
Just as I didn't feel that, for me, "upgrading" from the 1DII to the N was worth spending the money, I feel the same way about the 30D. Both my 1DII and my 20D will take pictures that are just as good as an N or a 30D, even though the replacements might have more "convenience" features. So, I'll just save the money for the moment and put it toward my 1DIII or combined 1-series that should be available in about a year.
Les
p.2 #11 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
Just look at all the comments "Well, I'll look at a 5d now."
People went from saying "I'll skip the 5d, and wait for the new 30d" to saying "I guess the 5d is my other option."
Canon knew that if they kept feeding consumers upgraded 10/20/30d series, they'd never feel the need to move up to the 5d... Seriously, if the 30d had the same MP and focusing as the 5d, a lot fewer people would be considering it as an upgrade suddenly. By releasing the 30d with underwhelming upgrades, people know that the 5d (or higher, though most upgraders will have trouble with 3k for the 5d) is the only option to "step up" any time soon.
Sadly, I like a 1.5/1.6 crop. If we busted our 20d, the 30d would be the logical replacement, but it isn't upgrade worthy. No changes to the image quality at all--and the 5d has no crop and is just too expensive for us.
In any case, by underwhelming us with the 30d, I think Canon has insured increased sales on their 5d, which is their baby right now.
Why buy a 3000 dollar cow when the 1300 dollar cow makes milk that is close to if not equally as good--even better in some aspects.
Edited by rocketpop on Feb 21, 2006 at 02:33 PM GMT
p.2 #13 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
rocketpop wrote:
Just look at all the comments "Well, I'll look at a 5d now."
People went from saying "I'll skip the 5d, and wait for the new 30d" to saying "I guess the 5d is my other option."
Why buy a 3000 dollar cow when the 1300 dollar cow makes milk that is close to if not equally as good--even better in some aspects.
I am somewhat in that boat, I've looked at, but I'm still not buying that $3k cow. If I can pick it up for slightly over 2k at some point, I'd go for it, but really all the 30D has done is reinforced my desire to stick with the 20D. So yea, Canon gets no additional body out of me from this release.
I don't find the 17-55 exciting either, now an EF-S 15-70 f/4 IS, and I would jump at that right away, even if it was $1200.
p.2 #14 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
I started saving for the 5D since October of last year. I just purchased it 2/15. I already have the 20D and was very happy with it. I wanted the full frame sensor, but the 1DsMKII is a little out of my reach right now. With this new release of the 30D, I am glad I got the 5D.
p.2 #15 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
Not me!!
I think Canon messed up with the feature/price segmentation with the 5D. A major release now around the $1500 range would only have disturbed the segmentation further and encroached on 5D sales. The had to stay away from a major revamp to 20D which would have hurt 5D plan even further.
I think in the not so distant future, between the 5D/1D2N, there could either be:
* a consolidation of features and price segments with both being phased out over a year to 18 months and replaced by a consolidated alternative, more inline with phasing out the 1.3x crop allowing for a consolidated progression from 5D/1D2N with a full frame sensor with a very distinct $3K to $4K price segment
* further distinction between the two and move the 5D lower in the price segment as 6 to 12 months it would probably be somewhere around $2400. The then current lower pricing of the 5D and the possibility of phasing out a 1.3x crop would make room in the $3500 to $4500 segment for a 1D2N update.
Lower pricing of 5D allows a better feature/price segmentation as below which makes it just right for a major DSLR release.
Entry Level DSLR (Rebel and the likes) - around $800
Prosumer (30D and the likes) - $1300
Entry Pro (5D and the likes) - $2400
Mid Pro (1D2N update) - $4000 or so
Top of the line (1D2S) - $7K
With the current 20D feature/performance, for me the next jump would be either a 5D (with the lower pricing 6 to 12 months out) or the 1D2N update, possibly the latter with the 20D/30D as a backup body (or funds from the sale easing the cost a bit)
p.2 #17 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
I will wait until my store I work in has the 30D in stock, then I will take my 20D and exchange it for a 30D (no cost, pays to work there). I will then p/u a 20D used for my wife to use (I may do this sooner depending on prices in B&S forum). I love the 20D, and i will hopefully love the 30D too.
p.2 #18 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
Nope, not enough of a bump for me to go to the 30D. I will save my $$ and buy some more glass. I am still looking at the 24-105L as my next purchase. Before I go and spend $$ on another body, it had better have MORE upgrades than the 30D. In the mean time I have way more things to spend $$ on than I have $$ in the bank for... Lenses, new tripod, ballhead, new camera bag, new laptop......
p.2 #19 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
Not I, I just jumped to the 5D last week. The 20D just became my backup and it will go if there's a new 1D full frame at Photokina which drops the price of used 1DsMkII's and the 5D will go to backup.
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p.2 #20 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
Lenses, new tripod, ballhead, new camera bag, new laptop......