Doesn`t the D70 have the ITTL vs the DTTL on the D100?
How about the D70 having 1/500 sec sync flash vs 1/180 on the D100?
Plus USB 2.0 vs 1.1
How about 3 fps vs 2.5 on the D100?
How about the D2H type metering on the D70?
And weren`t compressed nefs awfully slow on the D100?
All in all the D70 was a substantial improvement on the D100 regardless of the metal subframe build and it has proven itself to be more than adequate in real use. It WAS the camera that lifted Nikon back into the fold.
And probably most important it came in at a pricepoint that the masses were waiting for.
John
uccmmcpo wrote:
Doesn`t the D70 have the ITTL vs the DTTL on the D100?
How about the D70 having 1/500 sec sync flash vs 1/180 on the D100?
Plus USB 2.0 vs 1.1
How about 3 fps vs 2.5 on the D100?
How about the D2H type metering on the D70?
And weren`t compressed nefs awfully slow on the D100?
All in all the D70 was a substantial improvement on the D100 regardless of the metal subframe build and it has proven itself to be more than adequate in real use. It WAS the camera that lifted Nikon back into the fold. And probably most important it came in at a pricepoint that the masses were waiting for.
John ...Show more →
All very good points.
For me, I haven't needed the faster sync flash.
I use a card reader.
I don't use the continuous mode.
I do use a spot meter - and it has it.
You can use uncompressed NEF which isn't nearly as slow.
Not that these aren't features I wouldn't mind having... but they won't stop you from taking pictures.
Unless you are using a SB600 or SB800, iTTL doesn't really apply. And iTTL doesn't make you a better flash shooter.
You can shoot pretty well on uncompressed NEF.
You can shoot a larger range of lenses with the D100.
The metering on the D70 is not the same. The spot meter on the D2H has very distinct differences that makes it better.
The number one complaint of the D70 is the small dark and not glass optical viewfinder. The number two complain is the short shutter life (in comparison to the D100 or other cameras). It is a very powerful tool, but not the sturdiest. Since the D100 is just a good as an image maker, I would opt to get something that is going to last.
That would be the function of a less aggressive anti-aliasing filter in the D70 versus the D100, but nothing a little more unsharp mask wouldn't rectify with the D100.
Scott
Actually, you do lose some fine detail that can't be recovered by unsharp masking. Remember, the unsharp mask only makes things LOOK sharper, doesn't actaully increase detail. The anti-aliasing filter actually blurs detail, and you lose some acuity. Granted it's not a huge amount, but it is noticeable when you compare images from the two cameras.
DragonflyDM wrote:
The number two complain is the short shutter life (in comparison to the D100 or other cameras). It is a very powerful tool, but not the sturdiest. Since the D100 is just a good as an image maker, I would opt to get something that is going to last.
I hadn't ever heard of this, but this is somewhat important to me. Has anyone had a D70 that had a shutter die?
I'd look at each camera's shutter actuations. The D100 was/is a pricier camera and if both are going for the same price used, is the D100 used a bit more nearer it's end-life? I only have the D70, but I looked a bit at the D100 and don't remember being awed by a better viewfinder. Either, if they aint beat on, looks like they would do you good.
I`m sure the D100 was a real good camera when it came out but if my memory serves me right it was branded from the beginning as producing unsharp images that needed much post processing and yet still weren`t up to the competitive 10D. The D70 became known as the model that finally stood up to Canon and that`s when Nikon`s sales went wild.All the reviews of the D70 were written to reflect the obvious advances, improvements , and particularly the sharp images it was capable of.
John
Either camera will be bought used for roughly the same price (700 was the figure given). Shutter life imho would be a non issue here. Last longer? How many pictures is this camera realistically going to take before it is replaced?
The D70 is rated to 50,000 clicks and has been known to far exceed that. I also know of D100 shutters that have failed before 50,000. to replace the shutter would cost somewhere between $200 and $300 (I could be wrong but this is what I have heard it would cost, I don't know for sure).
All I really am saying is that benefits or disadvantages in either camp are really a non issue, including longevity/robustness. I really think all of the pros and cons are fairly trivial including acuity. What the purchaser should do is get a hold of both of the models and play with them. Which one feels better? Which one makes you feel the creative vision? Which one is an extension of your minds eye. These are the values that cannot be factored in shutter cycles or line pairs but these are the factors that matter the most to me.
I hadn't ever heard of this, but this is somewhat important to me. Has anyone had a D70 that had a shutter die?
My shutter on the D70 has not failed, it is rated at 50,000 however I know if D70 in the 70000 cycle range and still going. I also have known of D100 that have failed in around 40,000.
If you are buying new? It might make a slight difference but buying used ... well you can take a look at which camera has how many actuations and judge it for yourself from there.
I went and reread your posts just to see what you were primarily looking for. You had said you will be using the SB-80 so that tosses out the flash benefits of the D70. You also said you find the D70 a bit smallish for your liking and you already know the specs and features of both. You may be leaning towards the D100 and it's a fine choice.
One last point i would like to make, the D70 used for $700 is too much. I bought mine new for less than that in the first quarter of this year with Nikon warranty.
Not to beat a dead horse but I think Phil Askey`s written assessment of the soft jpegs from the D100 might have hurt it`s sales. I also have to believe that at least some reviewers do indeed read each others work and build off those leads causing nods of agreement on certain points. Combined reviews that are generally similar have more clout and do no harm to anyones reputation as a reviewer.
Of course Canon did in fact keep the pressure on by improving image quality with low noise and by eliminating moire.
Anyway, I probably would have chosen the D100 myself if it wasn`t for the exceptionally good reviews the D70 garnered from almost the whole group of reviewing pros.
John
Edited by uccmmcpo on Nov 29, 2005 at 08:25 AM GMT
Yeah I was going to take a new D100 but I looked at the D70 and at half the price, this was a good choice that would become a backup or wife's camera in a year or so. It was an excellent choice but if we throw logic and economics out the window I probably would have taken the D100.
Qranc wrote:
My shutter on the D70 has not failed, it is rated at 50,000 however I know if D70 in the 70000 cycle range and still going. I also have known of D100 that have failed in around 40,000.
If you are buying new? It might make a slight difference but buying used ... well you can take a look at which camera has how many actuations and judge it for yourself from there.
I went and reread your posts just to see what you were primarily looking for. You had said you will be using the SB-80 so that tosses out the flash benefits of the D70. You also said you find the D70 a bit smallish for your liking and you already know the specs and features of both. You may be leaning towards the D100 and it's a fine choice.
One last point i would like to make, the D70 used for $700 is too much. I bought mine new for less than that in the first quarter of this year with Nikon warranty.
Edited by Qranc on Nov 28, 2005 at 07:16 PM GMT...Show more →
I agree that $700 is too much for a used D70. I'd get a NEW D50 before I got a used D70 for that price. I wouldn't expect to pay more than $600 used for either the D70 or D100.
If built quality is what you are after look no longer, the D100 should be your choice.
Just remember that technologically speaking, the D70 is a far better camera. Not only better flash sync speed but also better software. On regard to the fast shutter speed I can guarantee you that if you cannot stop motion with a 1/1000 sec. you better do not shoot motion.
I do own a D100 and I love the camera but if I was in the market for a camera in the D70 range I would go for the D70s. Minor improvements but very useful indeed.
By the way, during my Grand Teton trip in September my D100 fell in the mountains from the tripod. The LCD protector flied in pieces but the camera has kept on working.
William Rodriguez
Miami, Florida./
If you need 1/500th sync speed, 1005 segment RGB colour meter, i-TTL flash, 3 fps etc then D70 is the way to go.
If you need none of these but want a good body at a low price (I am assuming you can buy one used for a real low price these days) then D100 is the way to go. Inherent image quality is great in the D100 as well. You can use your SB80DX on the D100 without worrying about compatibility. You need to spend $$ on a SB600 or 800 in order to make use of the i-TTL functionalities associated with D70.
You can always make D100 files crunchier and punchier as part of post processing.
It finally boils down to what you want and what makes sense - more than whether D100 is better than D70 or vice versa.
