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OzPic wrote:
Well said Jacko ,my wife owns a Pentax IST Ds and the images that camera can produce are nothing short of outstanding ,yes people " Pentax " Nikon and Canon are not the only companys making good cameras!!!


Outstanding? A very strong word indeed. That means it stands out from the rest. Above and beyond.
Canon users believe their dslr`s are truly outstanding too. Check out the Oly forums and you will find the same thing.
Why in the world do you think Jack and so many others bought the D2X?
Maybe they just wanted something better than a typical run of the mill outstanding camera?
John



Oct 12, 2005 at 11:06 AM
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John, I'm trying to figure out what your point is, or your concern. Is it that Canon high-end camera sales are off? Or that you don't have an upgrade path in Nikon? Or that Nikon is losing D2X sales to Canon 5D buyers? I'm not trying to be a smart-aleck, and I offer my comments with all due respect

I received the latest edition of Nikon World magazine the other day, and they were of course touting the new D50, as well as the D70s. The photo's are always top-notch IMO, but one thing kind of stood out to me.
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Hi Jack,
Yes, I`m afraid you missed it .And I certainly would bring up your D2X.
You feel you had particular reasons why you bought it and that`s fine but I hope you can understand why myself and others would like more of what the D2X offers but at less money. I could easily live with it`s non pro body and probably a few other features that it has as they are actually overkill for me.
Thats a point I wanted to make and one that Canon offers their users.
I`m hoping the D200 is that mid range model and that it comes soon.
I`m not interested in a D2H for obvious reasons.
John




Oct 12, 2005 at 11:16 AM
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I'm trying to understand this thread. Are you saying that you too good for a D70?? but not good enough for a D2X ??

5700 - https://www.fredmiranda.com/hosting-data//500/36124WetWon1.jpg

D70 - https://www.fredmiranda.com/hosting-data//501/36124Brush_Stroke_01.jpg

D2X - https://www.fredmiranda.com/hosting-data//501/36124Zen_Moment_01.jpg


I'd definately go back to Canon if I were you, Nikons just can't take good pictures.

Actually, in truth, I have absolutley no problem with your angst with Nikon. I just wonder why you felt the need to share your pain on the internet. Why spend time debating this on the internet? Why aren't your spending your time and money getting the camera you want? You obviously want the 5D. Are you trying to convince us or yourself ??

I must admit this thread has been an entertaining diversion, but I feel the need to go shoot some images. I hope you find peace soon.



Oct 12, 2005 at 11:51 AM
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Hi Jack,
Yes, I`m afraid you missed it .And I certainly would bring up your D2X.
You feel you had particular reasons why you bought it and that`s fine but I hope you can understand why myself and others would like more of what the D2X offers but at less money. I could easily live with it`s non pro body and probably a few other features that it has as they are actually overkill for me.
Thats a point I wanted to make and one that Canon offers their users.
I`m hoping the D200 is that mid range
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I know there are many that are tired of waiting, and understandably so. As to your wishes for what a D100 replacement will be, Nikon is not ignorant of this fact. There are many professional shooters too that are waiting for the D100 replacement, and I'm sure Nikon is not ignorant of that either. Yes, it's taking too long, but Nikon's track record for digital slr's has been slow, but well worth waiting for. I too am interested in the D100 replacement

As to me getting a D2X, it had a lot more to do with personal issues and not so much specifications, but that's a whole 'nuther story

I have absolutely no knowledge of anything, but based on Nikons 'replacement' releases, e.g. the D2X for the D1X, the D100 replacement is going to be very soon. If the D2X is too much for you, and I fully understand that, then I encourage you to shoot what you have, and enjoy it. The only alternative is to suffer angst, or to get another brand. The time will come.....

Regards,

Jack



Oct 12, 2005 at 12:11 PM
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Hi Qranc!
What most people don't realize is that you have to quadruple the MP to double the resolution. AND it takes more than MP to take a decent image. I looked at Canon (20D) and Nikon (D70) both before I bought a DSLR, and realized that Nikon had the best combination of lenses, sensors and incamera software (its ultimately the software that produces the final image (that's the hype of the digichip)). I feel that Nikon does a much better job at this and has designed a complete system. I was very happy with the results I was getting, until...............I bought Nikon Capture............now I'm even more pleased.



Oct 12, 2005 at 12:22 PM
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Hey rhyder, in an attempt to stay out of the fray I deleted my posts but yes I am a D2H supporter and I am still very happy with the D70 having dropped it, shot in inclement weather etc. and all for much less than what I bought a coolpix 885 for.

I was at the crossroads with the 20D and D70 when choosing my first DSLR and once again had to pick Nikon and I based it mostly on ergonomics. I also feel that learning how to use what you have will make me a better photographer in the end than picking up the best camera there is and blaming it for shortcomings. For what I paid for the D70 it has far exceeded my expectations and I believe is far more a camera than most consumers will ever use. Heh, I'm in no hurry to make my decision of D2H or D2X because of how well it has performed. Some things I miss, AF performance for one and the viewfinder bugs me at times but all in all it's been a great ride going to DSLR.

As much as I believe the D2H getting a raw deal so I believe of the D70 and it's "cheap" moniker. Don't get me wrong, I love my mag alloy but the D70 is often over looked for the wrong reason as is the D2H. That's just simply being a realist, too much in todays world is driven by hype and touted as truth or fact.



Oct 12, 2005 at 12:32 PM
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Qranc wrote:
As much as I believe the D2H getting a raw deal so I believe of the D70 and it's "cheap" moniker. Don't get me wrong, I love my mag alloy but the D70 is often over looked for the wrong reason as is the D2H. That's just simply being a realist, too much in todays world is driven by hype and touted as truth or fact.



I'm absouletly in agreement on that one. The D2H quite obviously takes outstanding images with LOW NOISE, in the hands of the right photographer. The D70, though not a "pro" camera, takes professional quality images with professional reliability and durability. A minimum of 3lbs not a professional camera does make.

Gerald



Oct 12, 2005 at 12:45 PM
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The biggest advantage Canon has over Nikon is with Canon you never have to buy soft focus flters, they are already built into every camera.

just kidding,



Oct 12, 2005 at 06:40 PM
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uccmmcpo wrote:

Finally a sensible reponse from someone who obviously isn`t a Nikon fanboy and sees some semblance of reality.
Nowhere in this thread can I recall knocking Nikon or writing that I wanted a 5D or writing that I was going to go back to Canon.
My joke reference to the D2H is simly in regards to it`s paltry 4 MP`s. In this day and age users are demanding more . Even Nikon figured that out ,enter the D2X.
Bottom line is all I want is something better than the D70 but not as costly as the
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Well, I have been in different industries long enough to know how stupid it is to be a fanboy. AMD vs Intel, Emu vs Akai, Vestax vs Rane, ATi vs nVidia, and Nikon vs Canon no less...

You see, I seriuosly thought about getting the 1Ds MK2 or the upcoming MK3. However, after I have played with 1D mk2, not only did I see the advantage of Canon, but also it's disadvantages compared to Nikon. So, I went and got the 70-200 VR and never look back.

Yes, I don't have too much faith when it comes down to the future sensors that Nikon can buy/produce. But if they can't do business with Sony, I am sure they would make some deal with Fuji some how. Long as there's money to be made. So, the Nikon system, at lesat far as the lenses/flashes goes, are still good investments IMHO.

Also, I respect the choices of each individuals, but apparently some people just can't seem to do that. Some people rave about their D2H/5D, fine... I am happy for you. However they seem to care about the fact that I think the D2H is somewhat lousy. What's the deal with that? So, you can express your opinion, but I can't?

Of course this forum is full of mature people, and I am glad that I can voice my opinions here.

Aside from the rather sorry sensor that Nikon put in the D2H, I think the ergonomics, user interface, memtering with/without flash, and AF point placement fit my need (portraits) much better than the Canon 1D series. Actually the D2X is still on the noisy side, but I can live with that.

I think one of the biggest reason why I love the Nikon 11 points AF is the fact that I get a cross type AF point right on the face/chin of the model when I do vertical portraits. Gotta love that...




Oct 12, 2005 at 07:13 PM
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HankB wrote:
The biggest advantage Canon has over Nikon is with Canon you never have to buy soft focus flters, they are already built into every camera.

just kidding,


... So true...

Of course with all the noise that I get from my D70, I sure got the film-like look to my pictures... I must say that I would love to have the option of adding that look in PS and have a clean picture off my camera...

Well, well... trade offs in life.



Oct 12, 2005 at 07:16 PM
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Your absolutely within your rights to label the D2H sensor lousy but it's one thing to say it's "my opinion" and another to say it's fact. I can respect your opinion, I have nothing against that.

I compare shooting the D70 vs shooting with film so as far as grain/noise is concerned at 800 I consider it to my benefit vs film.




Oct 12, 2005 at 08:01 PM
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Qranc wrote:
Your absolutely within your rights to label the D2H sensor lousy but it's one thing to say it's "my opinion" and another to say it's fact. I can respect your opinion, I have nothing against that.

I compare shooting the D70 vs shooting with film so as far as grain/noise is concerned at 800 I consider it to my benefit vs film.



Also, I would like to point out that I am not saying 4MP isn't enough for pro work. Hack plenty of amazing pictures came out of the D1H, D2H, and the Canon 1D. However, given the time when the D2H was introduced, the business and engineering decisions that Nikon made was IMHO poor. I expected better from them, that's all.

Even til today, I don't have a whole lot of faith in future Nikon DSLRs. But hack if people can dump money into 4/3. I think I feel comfortable enough with Nikon.



Oct 12, 2005 at 09:02 PM
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HankB wrote:
The biggest advantage Canon has over Nikon is with Canon you never have to buy soft focus flters, they are already built into every camera.

just kidding,


Come to think of it, Canon doesn't make any soft focus lenses, I guess the engineers had nothing to compare it too...

(Just kidding...I know they probably do. )

Edward
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Oct 12, 2005 at 10:03 PM
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uccmmcpo wrote:
Outstanding? A very strong word indeed. That means it stands out from the rest. Above and beyond.
Canon users believe their dslr`s are truly outstanding too. Check out the Oly forums and you will find the same thing.
Why in the world do you think Jack and so many others bought the D2X?
Maybe they just wanted something better than a typical run of the mill outstanding camera?
John


Ok then...... how's this I will take back outstanding and replace it with " very very good "I also own the D2X and I bought it because it felt right for me ,I tried the Canon but did not like the way it felt to hold and my wife bought her outstanding oops sorry I should have said very good Pentax because it suited her as she has small hands.......my wife also often says all you ever hear about is @#$%*& Nikon & Canon what about all the other outstan.....oops there I go again very good cameras out there, what a @#$%&* up lot we all are going on about this camera and that camera,lets just go out and and practise the fine art of photography and be content with what we have and let Canon and Nikon to do battle on there own.





Oct 13, 2005 at 06:22 AM
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I'm not sure what the point the original poster is making

--Same as saying This years top LCD's and Monitors are making Last years top end CRT's almost unsellable or a new Mondeo (not my favorite car BTW) is making last years model worth only 1/2 the price..

Actually I would rather have a D2X than a 5d (and I'm a Canon shooter) -- for all sorts of reasons I got the 5D -- It would just be too horrendously expensive to switch and I actually LIKE the 1Ds2 and the 1D2 --but if I hadn't been so heavily invested in Canon Gear I'd look VERY FAVORABLY indeed at the D2X.

Certainly some of the shooters here know how to use it.
Thanks for the pics -- great stuff.

Nikon (like all companies) will introduce new models at the time it sees fit and when the development cycle requires it.

Unitil this gear appears enjoy what you have.

Cheers

-K



Oct 13, 2005 at 08:40 AM
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I have absolutely no knowledge of anything, but based on Nikons 'replacement' releases, e.g. the D2X for the D1X, the D100 replacement is going to be very soon.

But from the looks of the marketing materials Nikon has sent out, it's NOT going to be shown at next week's PhotoPLUS Expo in NYC, unless it's going to be a big surprise. Everything that Nikon has sent me regarding the show is about the D50 or the consumer digital point and shoots.

If they do come up with it for next week's show, I suspect it will be impossible to get anywhere near the booth.



Oct 13, 2005 at 11:14 AM
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WTFC's?


Oct 13, 2005 at 01:35 PM
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Osai wrote:
WTFC's?

Now that`s a real intelligent quote. Makes me wonder about your lineage.
Maybe we should only discuss what interests you?
John



Oct 13, 2005 at 02:50 PM
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zoetmb wrote:
But from the looks of the marketing materials Nikon has sent out, it's NOT going to be shown at next week's PhotoPLUS Expo in NYC, unless it's going to be a big surprise. Everything that Nikon has sent me regarding the show is about the D50 or the consumer digital point and shoots.

If they do come up with it for next week's show, I suspect it will be impossible to get anywhere near the booth.


I just remember that before the D2X came out, there was nothing, so I would expect no less for the D100 replacement



Oct 13, 2005 at 03:56 PM
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Jack, You are encouraging. I`m gonna wait for it ,at least well into next year if I have to. My preferences are with the Nikon system regardless .
BTW, you might like to check out this girls work here : http://www.pbase.com/zylen/image/38860240
She uses a 300D XT (I`m not pushing Canon ) but her PP is really something to admire. She works as a graphic artist but her photography is truly outstanding . (I use that word without having to exaggerate)
She excels at capturing birds in flight and should probably be working for Nat`l geographic. She really deserves a D2X but still manages quite well with a low ender.
John




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