I think the point is that it IS aimed at professionals. The fact that amatures with lots of cash chose to buy such things doesn't change that. Typically, for Joe "weekend warrior", a 3000 dollar camera is not something you pick up for the wife and kids on the way home from the office.
Of course. Some people are speculating from PHOTOS that the camera is cheap and plasticy. I just wanted to offer the other side of the arguement on that. The thing looks rigid and durable as hell from what i can tell in that picture. (and, the magnesium alloy frame is a known quality of the camera. no speculation there.)
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Sorry.
I didn't even get to the bottom half of your comment. Your tongue wasn't in your cheek so much as pushing al the way through it.
I'm a little slow this morning.
In my defense that is the kind of comment (calling something cheap without even handling it) that is often made. Maybe Canon's big sin is that they haven't used the all black pro body. Any other style doesn't say "pro" sufficiently clearly to some folks.
I wasn't saying that the camera is indeed cheap - I'm just saying that they could have picked a better photo to put out on the net. The image on dpreview looks horrid.
I'm sorry - image sells a product for me! And I really like the look of my D2h, which is part of what sold me on it.
Surprised this thread is still running -- however on board flash --especially if you use large lenses is generally an abomination -- assuming that the Lens doesn't get in the way of the flash (even with Nikon who generally have a far better Flash system -- can't say a lot about the new Canon E-TTL with 580 EX as never tried it but the older flash system was a real dog ).
On board flash is best left for P&S type cameras.
As far as "Plasticy" goes -- I'd much rather carry around a lighter body with the strength of Kevlar than the most beautiful looking Solid Steel safe which weighs a ton and in the end isn't even as strong as the "Plasticy Kevlar"
A lot of new gear is made in ceramic --thank goodness --it's much lighter --and I bet a lot of you Tripod Carrying guys are glad of sturdy relatively light weight Carbon Fibre models.
mauii wrote:
I think the point is that it IS aimed at professionals. The fact that amatures with lots of cash chose to buy such things doesn't change that. Typically, for Joe "weekend warrior", a 3000 dollar camera is not something you pick up for the wife and kids on the way home from the office.
Well, If this thing was geared specifically to pros it would draw down sales of the 1DMKII and 1Ds yet still be a tad slow for sports at 3 fps so Canon must be banking on sales to amateurs too, which brings me back to my original thoughts about the pop up flash being absent.
Personally as an amateur I like the pop up flash for fill lighting and when not wanting to carry excess baggage.
A nice little compact / pocketable flash would be neat to have for this camera.
John.
uccmmcpo wrote:
Well, If this thing was geared specifically to pros it would draw down sales of the 1DMKII and 1Ds yet still be a tad slow for sports at 3 fps so Canon must be banking on sales to amateurs too, which brings me back to my original thoughts about the pop up flash being absent.
Personally as an amateur I like the pop up flash for fill lighting and when not wanting to carry excess baggage.
A nice little compact / pocketable flash would be neat to have for this camera.
John.
What is this "draw down sales" talk? The 1D2 is made by Canon. The 5D is made by canon. The "stolen" sales from canon are captured by.. you guessed it.. canon. It would be like robbing your own bank acount. Please elaborate here. If anything, it just adds another window in the canon lineup for people to enter the canon system, or upgrade, or to add another camera to thier arsenal. Canon doesnt care if you buy a 5D instead of a 1D2, either way, they just made a thousand bucks.
If you rely on pop up flash, i think this camera might be a bit much for you.
uccmmcpo wrote:
Well, If this thing was geared specifically to pros it would draw down sales of the 1DMKII and 1Ds yet still be a tad slow for sports at 3 fps so Canon must be banking on sales to amateurs too,...
OK this is a Nikon Board -- but as a pro I can certainly say that the Canon 5D certainly is NOT a 1D2 replacement and is unlikely to make any impact on those sales.
A lot of Canon Pros will be getting this camera
1) as a backup for the 1Ds2 -- 2X 1Ds2 is a LOT of Bread --- certainly more than the average shooter can realistically afford.
2) Canon Wedding shooters will like this a lot --the 12MP will be an added Bonus for a lot of wedding shooters who currently are toying around with the 1D2 (8MP) but need slightly larger resolution.
3) Shooters who couldn't afford a 1Ds2 and who want FF.
4) People who want or need a 1Ds2 --particularly Pros who can earn enough to pay for the camera after a few shoots will continue to purchase and use the 1Ds2.
OK this is largely irrelevant to Nikon shooters I know but there are a lot of high end amateurs as well who will buy gear that makes even hardend pros look jealously on --where on earth do they find the money.
I'm sure the same is true in the Nikon environment -- I'll bet there are a whole slew of amateurs out there who have the D2X even though the target market is really the Pro segment.
Kyle Yates wrote:
OK this is largely irrelevant to Nikon shooters I know but there are a lot of high end amateurs as well who will buy gear that makes even hardend pros look jealously on --where on earth do they find the money.
