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Archive 2003 · ISO 3200 and NeatImage -- wow!

  
 
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p.2 #1 · ISO 3200 and NeatImage -- wow!


You did a great job with these profiles David....... These are great!! The ISO 1600 profile is great, but the 200 profile is also amazing. Finally my ISO 200 shots look like ISO 100 shots on the D30 without any noticable loss of detail. Buttery smooth.


Jan 19, 2003 at 04:16 PM
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p.2 #2 · ISO 3200 and NeatImage -- wow!


Glad to know that the ISO 200 works so well for you.

Now if they could just figure out a way to make NeatImage run FASTER!

I can't remember if the Home version allows batch processing or not. If not, I may need to upgrade to the Pro version.



Jan 19, 2003 at 04:18 PM
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p.2 #3 · ISO 3200 and NeatImage -- wow!


DavidP wrote:
Glad to know that the ISO 200 works so well for you.

Now if they could just figure out a way to make NeatImage run FASTER!

I can't remember if the Home version allows batch processing or not. If not, I may need to upgrade to the Pro version.



I just paid for the home version. I believe the website said you could batch 10 shots at a time. The Pro version allows unlimited batch jobs, but that'll probably run for days. I know what you mean about it being soooooooooo slow. It's worth the wait for doing prints though.

The only time I would use the ISO 200 profile is for the shots I take with my 300mm that have massive, smooth, bokeh. In those shots, the noise really shows up if the background is dark green or blue. I even get tiny hints of banding at times. It's rare, but Neat Image did a great job totally getting rid of it. The noise at ISO 200 really bugs me about the 1D, but with this program, I have one less reason for lusting after the 1Ds. :-)



Jan 19, 2003 at 05:04 PM
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p.2 #4 · ISO 3200 and NeatImage -- wow!


BenSD wrote:
The only time I would use the ISO 200 profile is for the shots I take with my 300mm that have massive, smooth, bokeh. In those shots, the noise really shows up if the background is dark green or blue. I even get tiny hints of banding at times. It's rare, but Neat Image did a great job totally getting rid of it. The noise at ISO 200 really bugs me about the 1D, but with this program, I have one less reason for lusting after the 1Ds. :-)


Funny that you mention that, but I often notice banding when I do shots of a gray card at ISO 200. More than I notice at higher ISO's. Hmmmm.

Yeah, I assumed that the noise being cleaned up was more in the "featureless" zones (bokeh). Where there's detail, I've never noticed any noise at ISO 200.



Jan 19, 2003 at 05:07 PM
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p.2 #5 · ISO 3200 and NeatImage -- wow!


I think the noise at ISO 1600 really helps cover up any traces of banding. It's tough to see unless you downsize the photo. If you look at the Bobby Knight photos I took ( http://www.benhorne.com/photos/27x.html ) You'll see some banding in the shots. It's very tough to see in the full resolution images. At low ISO settings, the noise is just so low that minor changes in the amount of noise really shows up. I think that's why it's noticable at low ISOs, but not so much at higher settings.

The only time I've ever seen banding in 1D shots is in the bokeh with blue, green, and similar solid colored backgrounds. Like you said, where there is detail, the 1D ISO 200 shots look noise free. That's why I'm nearly always 100% happy with the wide angle shots I take, but the 300mm really shows the flaws of the 1D. And at the same time, I'm usually very happy with the ISO 1600 shots I take, wheras I look for the imperfections in the ISO 200 shots.



Jan 19, 2003 at 05:16 PM
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p.2 #6 · ISO 3200 and NeatImage -- wow!


So, a $50 program (or whatever it cost), and a LOT of time (for processing), and who needs a 1Ds?

Actually, I've seen somebody already complaining about banding in his 1Ds. I'd hate to see how long NeatImage takes with a file of THAT size.



Jan 19, 2003 at 05:19 PM
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p.2 #7 · ISO 3200 and NeatImage -- wow!


Hello David P. and others!
I'm new to this forum although I have visited it many times the last few weeks. Last week I bought a D60 and I'm experimenting a lot now. I've downloaded the Demo version of Neat Image and was impressed with its noise removal. I did not like the sharpening a lot though: to much halo's. But now my question: in the Demo version the processing time of a 8-bits Tiff D60-image takes about 2-21/2 minutes (W2000, P4 1.8, 1 GHz RAM). So a 16 bit image should take about twice as long I suppose. But in a review on http://www.outbackphoto.com/workflow/wf_10/essay.html the reviewer mentioned a processing time of about 8 minutes! (with about the same computer configuration). Maybe he means the total workflow time (from opening till saving). Could you give me your processing times for 16 bits Tiff images with mentioning of camera and computerconfiguration?
Thanks a lot!



Jan 19, 2003 at 06:21 PM
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p.2 #8 · ISO 3200 and NeatImage -- wow!


I just finished prepping another image for a 16x20 print. I used Neat Image and Genuine Fractals --- No sharpening what so ever. The resulting file is amazing..... No noise is visible until you zoom beyond 400%, detail is sharp, and the color is great. I am in the process of saving up for a 2nd body.... a 2nd 1D sure is attractive at this point!

With regard to the 1Ds processing times with Neat Image..... Mr. T would likely put it well by saying "I pitty the foo with a slow CPU!"



Jan 19, 2003 at 06:23 PM
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