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Official Announcement: Leica Q3 43 Digital Camera Released!

  
 
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I went to the Leica store to check out the Q3 43, and brought along my M11 with the Minolta 40mm for a quick comparison. These shots are wide open, SOOC ...

The detail on the Q43 is insane -- definitely makes me even more tempted to add a 35mm APO. That said, I am really impressed by the 40mm I already have, especially given its age.

Unscientific comparison, but for for thought none the less.



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Oct 03, 2024 at 12:51 PM
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1bwana1 wrote:
The point was that your statement was false. The Model T B.S. doesn't hold validity in the context of that. I don't even know where that is coming from, or where you are going with that. Unless it is just the distraction it appears to be.

If you do the research it is not at all clear that the sensor is exactly the same. There is evidence in both documentation, and in preference data that suggests otherwise. Personally I am not sure about that. But what is clears is that it looks like every other major component of the camera is
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If it's not the same sensor, that's even worse - it means they picked a sensor that is knowingly incapable of phase detect AF or have 4k video without cropping in further. Dynamic range is what it is for a sensor of this size. In any case, it is what it is.



Oct 03, 2024 at 01:57 PM
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tzhang4284 wrote:
If it's not the same sensor, that's even worse - it means they picked a sensor that is knowingly incapable of phase detect AF or have 4k video without cropping in further. Dynamic range is what it is for a sensor of this size. In any case, it is what it is.


No, at best it appears that it may be an evolution of the D-Lux 7 sensor that uses a slightly different construction. This updated construction increased Dynamic Range a bit, and provided for more energy efficiency. For sure we are now getting better battery life, and now unlimited 4k 30p video record time instead of being limited to 29 minutes.

No they didn't include phase detect Af in this camera. It is not positioned as an AF-C action type camera. I shoot primarily in AF-S Single Frame. My hit rate like this is extremely high. None of the leica cameras has what one would call great AF, in high frame rates when compared to the state of the art mirrorless cameras. That includes the Q(x) line of cameras as well. The AF is adequate for its intended use case. I don't think that is a priority for Leica. It is certainly not for me with the D-Lux 8.



Oct 03, 2024 at 02:13 PM
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I have a feeling, if anything, the small dynamic range bump and energy efficiency improvements could be explained by an update to the image processing engine… not the image sensor. But I’m far from an electrical engineer, so I could be off base.

I think where we all agree is that the D-lux and Q lines are great products that have their own unique use cases 🙂

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No, at best it appears that it may be an evolution of the D-Lux 7 sensor that uses a slightly different construction. This updated construction increased Dynamic Range a bit, and provided for more energy efficiency. For sure we are now getting better battery life, and now unlimited 4k 30p video record time instead of being limited to 29 minutes.

No they didn't include phase detect Af in this camera. It is not positioned as an AF-C action type camera. I shoot primarily in AF-S Single Frame. My hit rate like this is extremely high. None of the leica cameras has
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instantfoto_ wrote:
I went to the Leica store to check out the Q3 43, and brought along my M11 with the Minolta 40mm for a quick comparison. These shots are wide open, SOOC ...

The detail on the Q43 is insane -- definitely makes me even more tempted to add a 35mm APO. That said, I am really impressed by the 40mm I already have, especially given its age.

Unscientific comparison, but for for thought none the less.



Appreciate the comparison to the 50 year old 40 Cron (I have the Leica version). I figured it would be a while before I got to see such a comp.



Oct 03, 2024 at 08:19 PM
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tzhang4284 wrote:
A Ford Model T is a precursor to a Ford Mustang but that doesn't mean they share anything between them. I meant modern mirrorless cameras - e.g. Leica SL. Just as how the RX1was basically a dress rehearsal for the sony a7, the Q was the precursor to the SL series, Leica said as much.

I don't really care about how much Panasonic is in a camera but comparing the D-Lux 8 to the Q3 28mm or 43mm is not relevant at all. As for the components in the D-Lux 8 - the sensor as well, which is probably more
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I hear ya ... I reckon we're closer to bein' on the same page than it might seem. It's not that they "couldn't" ... it's just I didn't expect they had a strong compelling need to, and folks seem pretty happy with it as is. Watching what others have done with it, I appreciate its drawing style, and I suppose that's the "look" Leica was after. So, if they got what they wanted ... yeah, no reason to change (imo). Not sure if I'll pick up one for myself, but it's at least on my radar.

Imo, it could make a good "bike" camera ... you know, those times when you don't wanna go out without a rig, but it's not your main focus (i.e. out with friends / family, etc.)



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AFA AF goes, it depends on what you are shooting and how, etc. I just do not understand others expectations for AF.

I make this remark since for me every Leica AF camera I own SL2S, SL3, Q3 and Q343 focuses where I want when using AF. On the SL3 I use back button focus, position it where I want and the box turns green, no hesitation. Since the Q models don't have the same button, it is different, but when I half press the shutter the focus box turns green.

So all my cameras turn green ASA I hit the shutter or back button. So I am totally uncertain of how you use your cameras and what you expect from AF, but when I hit whatever button activates focus the box turns green like in less than a tenth of a second (my estimate). I do not shoot birds nor auto racing (very often) (but probably could with my SL3 by using a high shutter speeds). So I had Sony cameras some ago and I remember their green boxes turning green also as soon as I hit the button or shutter.

So what is with all this "Leica has not great AF"? How can AF get faster than what I observe in my Leica cameras? I hit any button activating AF and it's green.



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stgrove wrote:
AFA AF goes, it depends on what you are shooting and how, etc. I just do not understand others expectations for AF.

I make this remark since for me every Leica AF camera I own SL2S, SL3, Q3 and Q343 focuses where I want when using AF. On the SL3 I use back button focus, position it where I want and the box turns green, no hesitation. Since the Q models don't have the same button, it is different, but when I half press the shutter the focus box turns green.

So all my cameras turn green ASA I hit the shutter
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I find Leica AF fine when shooting Drive mode Single, and AF-S. Fast accurate and reliable. It is in AF-C in Drive Mode Bursts with tracking and object recognition that Leica is well behind the competition. I don't shoot a lot that requires that these days, but when I do I switch to my Sony A1 and have World class AF.

My serious shooting with Leica is done with my M11 so no AF at all. In some circumstances that is faster than even the most advanced AF.



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Nothing wrong with that, but I always suspected the Q 28/1.7 Summilux was a Panasonic design, given their 25/1.7 patent. (It was posted before here but I can't find it now)

It seems the new 43mm f/2 APO is also a Panasonic optical design!
https://leicarumors.com/2024/10/02/leica-q3-43-camera-additional-coverage-more-reviews-lens-patented-by-panasonic.aspx/

https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=US435544660

Designed by: Takehiro NISHIOKA and Yoshiaki KURIOKA







Oct 03, 2024 at 09:55 PM
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p.11 #10 · p.11 #10 · Official Announcement: Leica Q3 43 Digital Camera Released!


Fred Miranda wrote:
Nothing wrong with that, but I always suspected the Q 28/1.7 Summilux was a Panasonic design, given their 25/1.7 patent. (It was posted before here but I can't find it now)

It seems the new 43mm f/2 APO is also a Panasonic optical design!
https://leicarumors.com/2024/10/02/leica-q3-43-camera-additional-coverage-more-reviews-lens-patented-by-panasonic.aspx/

https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=US435544660

Designed by: Takehiro NISHIOKA and Yoshiaki KURIOKA


I agree 100%. But some Leica people seem to think that products with significant Panasonic involvement are somehow not as good. I think they should realize that the SL,Q, and D-Lux lines of Leica cameras all have significant Panasonic components. If you want pure Leica you have the M cameras. But even then I believe many of the M lenses have glass elements made by Panasonic. Some SL lenses likely have significant Sigma contribution

It is all good.



Oct 03, 2024 at 10:07 PM
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p.11 #11 · p.11 #11 · Official Announcement: Leica Q3 43 Digital Camera Released!


1bwana1 wrote:
I agree 100%. But some Leica people seem to think that products with significant Panasonic involvement are somehow not as good. I think they should realize that the SL,Q, and D-Lux lines of Leica cameras all have significant Panasonic components. If you want pure Leica you have the M cameras. But even then I believe many of the M lenses have glass elements made by Panasonic. Some SL lenses likely have significant Sigma contribution

It is all good.


I believe that all SL 'APO' designs are primarily by Leica and designed by Peter Karbe. The more affordable SL lenses are Sigma optical designs. The Q and D-Lux lenses appear to be Panasonic designs. Ultimately, what matters is the image quality and whether the lens rendering and characteristics appeals to most shooters.



Oct 03, 2024 at 10:41 PM
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