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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · selling gear.

Its really annoying when people advertise gear for sale then just ignore p/ms and public replies to their ads.

Come on people...If you are going to advertise items for sale at least check if you have interest!

Sep 25, 2024 at 07:43 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · selling gear.

Might have something to do with your low post count and no history on FM.

Sep 25, 2024 at 08:07 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · selling gear.

Counterpoint: you live in Oceania and this is a US-centric board. Very few sellers here will be willing or interested in shipping to you. Many ads explicitly say CONUS only. If I had terms listed and someone outside that messaged me I'd likely ignore it too.

Shipping to Oceania AND to a single feedback user? I would never, personally.

Sep 25, 2024 at 08:09 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · selling gear.

It's a serious gamble for you too Andrew, unless it's something you simply cannot source elsewhere. I would not even try to go that route, and I don't lack long term presence in FM (!).

Just for kicks and to verify, I once advertised a Loxia 85mm here for like half price. Totally as new with maybe 100 images through it, very good images of it in the ad.

Nope, not one response. They don't trust anyone, no exceptions. They don't want your business and it's best if you reciprocate. It's an insular place, until the mid-90s only 10% of them held passports.

I just bought a Heliopan filter from BH with a cross-thread. I'll have to write it off as 'US business losses', too much hassle and they are very likely not to believe me. Also try Europe, especially the UK. Very different people, friendly and honourable by nature, reliable and responsive, especially the big dealers. Japan is also good and HK from Ebay experience.

I've bought expensive lenses from Germany, the UK, had a lot to do with David Llado in Spain re Leitax and lens conversions, etc. Unless I have a history with a US firm, like KEH or BH, I'll need a strong voucher for a US company, like Kolari as suggested by Fred. Caveat emptor, my friend.

Sep 25, 2024 at 09:31 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · selling gear.

Hmmm...is what I would say to the first two replies.

I've purchased an item here and had a wonderful transaction with the lady concerned. The world doesn't stop at the US border for goodness sake and there have been known to have planes come here in the past... we now have 24/7 power, running water,sealed roads and some people gave learnt to grow vegetables and fruit. There has also been a rumor that some people have been seen travelling in motor cars..

Sep 26, 2024 at 03:21 AM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · selling gear.

It is imperfect nonlinear world out there.

First of all, FM is a US-centric forum, especially the FS-section. Users from around the world might be tempted to use it because of a) volume, b) good prices, and c) the generally very kind and sharing community, however, it is not fair to expect people to want to ship outside US mainland. Heck, it is a hassle and expensive to ship coast to coast in the US, not to mention Hawaii or Alaska.

I recently moved to Europe from the US, and I am having a really hard time finding something similar to FredMiranda in Europe. Selling or buying here seems to be a real hassle.

Net/net: living in a remote place might include a wonderful life experience, but it is not fair to expect people to be willing to ship you merchandise easily or cheaply. C'est la vie.

Sep 26, 2024 at 04:19 AM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · selling gear.

RoamingScott wrote:
Counterpoint: you live in Oceania and this is a US-centric board. Very few sellers here will be willing or interested in shipping to you. Many ads explicitly say CONUS only. If I had terms listed and someone outside that messaged me I'd likely ignore it too.

Shipping to Oceania AND to a single feedback user? I would never, personally.

I find this reply a little interesting..

The seller has ALL the power in any sale clearly! They dont ship any product until they are paid in full so no risk at all surely.

Im new here..a tad obvious I would have thought but everyone is new at the start I would have thought, unless they manage to manipulate the feedback system somehow.
Ignoring a reply to your sale ad.. what an interesting way of looking at someone who wished to buy a product you were wanting to divest yourself of!

Anyway.. blah blah. I enjoy reading the stuff that is relevant to my interest and have garnered some very interesting tips.

All the best from sunny New Zealand..well today at least it is sunny.

Sep 28, 2024 at 04:41 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · selling gear.

Exactly the below.

The ONLY way I do purchases from here is via feedback status and user activity and longevity.
Shrug, it is the way it is, you can NEVER be too cautious, or vigilant.

RoamingScott wrote:
Counterpoint: you live in Oceania and this is a US-centric board. Very few sellers here will be willing or interested in shipping to you. Many ads explicitly say CONUS only. If I had terms listed and someone outside that messaged me I'd likely ignore it too.

Shipping to Oceania AND to a single feedback user? I would never, personally.

Sep 29, 2024 at 01:35 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · selling gear.

philip_pj wrote:
It's a serious gamble for you too Andrew, unless it's something you simply cannot source elsewhere. I would not even try to go that route, and I don't lack long term presence in FM (!).

Just for kicks and to verify, I once advertised a Loxia 85mm here for like half price. Totally as new with maybe 100 images through it, very good images of it in the ad.

Nope, not one response. They don't trust anyone, no exceptions. They don't want your business and it's best if you reciprocate. It's an insular place, until the mid-90s only 10% of them...Show more →

You’re talking about selling to the US. I think most Americans think they will have to pay import duties on foreign gear. They don’t, but that ignorance may prevent them from even looking. The other part is return shipping cost if something is wrong with the gear. And even though there are no import duties, some couriers still send a bill for clearance (esp. FedEx). EDIT: some here say they have had to pay duties.

And from an American perspective, selling abroad is often just extra hassle with the home market being so large.

I moved to Europe from the US and now suffer from a home market with high prices/VAT and import duties as well as it being more fragmented and smaller (though Vienna has several large used camera stores).

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Sep 29, 2024 at 02:00 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · selling gear.

AndrewPiper wrote:
The seller has ALL the power in any sale clearly! They dont ship any product until they are paid in full so no risk at all surely.

This is one of the most objectively wrong things I've ever read about buying/selling

The buyer has all the power and all the consumer protections. Every system is set up to protect the consumer, i.e. the buyer. There are no regulatory systems in places to protect sellers in this day and age, especially if you're leaning on paypal/ebay/traditional peer to peer systems.

AndrewPiper wrote:
Ignoring a reply to your sale ad.. what an interesting way of looking at someone who wished to buy a product you were wanting to divest yourself of!

If you replied to one of MY ads (all of which say CONUS only), you should not be surprised you get ignored for not reading or paying attention to the listing. I have no desire to sell internationally, so no, it does not behoove me to waste my time responding to international buyers.

Sep 29, 2024 at 02:23 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · selling gear.

patotts wrote:
It is imperfect nonlinear world out there.

First of all, FM is a US-centric forum, especially the FS-section. Users from around the world might be tempted to use it because of a) volume, b) good prices, and c) the generally very kind and sharing community, however, it is not fair to expect people to want to ship outside US mainland. Heck, it is a hassle and expensive to ship coast to coast in the US, not to mention Hawaii or Alaska.

I recently moved to Europe from the US, and I am having a really hard time finding something similar to...Show more →

Buying is very easy. Mpb is great. Ffordes, west Yorkshire cameras, aperture reddot and Classic Camera generally have very good prices on 2nd hand gear. Selling on the other hand...if mpb doesn't want it then eBay it is. At least that's all for the UK.

Also, I get that people don't want to sell abroad. Once import duties are involved the situation is just hassle. If the buyer doesn't fill out the forms right you end up paying import duties on the item you sold. I speak from personal experience.

I don't generally bother listing outside the UK on eBay any more because with Brexit now everything to do with post (and most of normal life...) is just a hassle.

Sep 29, 2024 at 02:40 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · selling gear.

AndrewPiper wrote:
Its really annoying when people advertise gear for sale then just ignore p/ms and public replies to their ads.

If they ignore you while you express interest, just imagine how much they will ignore you after you buy the item and you realize it is not as described.

Sep 29, 2024 at 02:49 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · selling gear.

Just throwing my two cents in here… it’s the seller’s right to refuse to sell to someone for ANY reason… the buyer residing outside of the borders of one’s country of residence is a perfectly valid reason to refuse to sell to someone.

As a watch enthusiast, I’ve bought and sold on forums for more than a decade… Omega Forums for a very long time, and these days a domestic-only watch forum here in Canada… many transactions well into the 5-figures, and to a number of different countries outside of North America.

Vetting buyers with a mix of common sense and a thorough review of their feedback/sales history has served me well and, knock on wood, I haven’t been burned to date.

I have also always used a third-party insurer for anything north of $2k or thereabouts. Sometimes I require the buyer to cover the cost of that insurance… mostly I cover it for my own peace of mind.

I’ve said no to many dozens of people who I didn’t feel comfortable working with.

That said, basic human decency leads me to reply to any and all inquiries… even if my reply is a flat no, I still respect other people’s time enough to reply back to them as soon as I am able.

To ignore a DM altogether is, IMO, flat-out rude and speaks to the seller’s character more than anything else… the times I’ve experienced zero response from a seller, I’m always left thankful, as I doubt I would have enjoyed the experience of buying from them anyways.

Sep 29, 2024 at 03:02 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · selling gear.

Raptor_Fan76 wrote:
Just throwing my two cents in here… it’s the seller’s right to refuse to sell to someone for ANY reason… the buyer residing outside of the borders of one’s country of residence is a perfectly valid reason to refuse to sell to someone.

As a watch enthusiast, I’ve bought and sold on forums for more than a decade… Omega Forums for a very long time, and these days a domestic-only watch forum here in Canada… many transactions well into the 5-figures, and to a number of different countries outside of North America.

Vetting buyers with a mix of common sense...Show more →

To ignore a DM, I would likewise consider rude. To ignore a public reply is very easy to do by mistake, because it’s expected that the interested party uses DM. I never go back to my listings unless I lower the price or the status of the listing.

Sep 29, 2024 at 03:09 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · selling gear.

There is some incorrect info on this thread.

It is NOT true that if a US resident buys gear from a foreign person or entity there is no duty. I have even bought Leica gear from Canada and had to pay US duty.

I recently purchased from Leica Classic Store a few months ago in Wetzlar and paid US duty on the each of the items I purchased.

As for shipping to Australia/NZ. I have sold items there where the person said, Hey I know it costs to ship to me, calculate it and I am willing to pay shipping and I am also responsible for any duties too.

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Sep 29, 2024 at 03:25 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · selling gear.

johnvanr wrote:
You’re talking about selling to the US. I think most Americans think they will have to pay import duties on foreign gear. They don’t, but that ignorance may prevent them from even looking..

I received a tax bill from the State of California for the Leica M6 that I bought/shipped from England.
Curious about your statement that I didn’t have to pay that, because the State of California disagrees. And they hold all the cards.

Sep 29, 2024 at 05:35 PM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · selling gear.

If you don't attend to import duty owed in Australia, you won't get the goods. It's rather binary. The process is straightforward. It's unimaginable that sellers are involved at all at that stage.

There are no protections worth having for buyers here for gear bought abroad from a private party, so it's best to buy from reputable and well-established businesses. Ebay works great, use a c/card with a low limit. I've never been burned by anyone in Japan and HK, who are our best sources.

Trust is so low, it would not be a bad idea to ban sales out of the US here, to just keep it local. There are excellent reasons not to use Paypal, they are a truly obnoxious outfit in my experience, they want to stand over clients, like most financial institutions. They are light years from being a 'service' company.

Sep 29, 2024 at 07:18 PM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · selling gear.

johnvanr wrote:
You’re talking about selling to the US. I think most Americans think they will have to pay import duties on foreign gear. They don’t, but that ignorance may prevent them from even looking..

There are some exceptions where duty is applicable. How the shipper classifies the item may also be a factor.

Desmolicious wrote:
I received a tax bill from the State of California for the Leica M6 that I bought/shipped from England.
Curious about your statement that I didn’t have to pay that, because the State of California disagrees. And they hold all the cards.

That's a state use/sales tax. Duty/tariffs are federal. US states like California are just catching up with the times. I'm surprised all the states haven't yet struck deals with the Feds to automatically collect use/sales tax for the states based on the recipient's address at the time a parcel enters the USA.

Sep 29, 2024 at 07:47 PM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · selling gear.

Leica labeled the items I bought as "used camera lenses". What else should a reputable seller do?

Sep 29, 2024 at 08:00 PM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · selling gear.

Wow.. quite the mix of replies..SOme I agree with and some lets just say I dont.

I would for my part say I ALWAYS speak with courtesy, manners and a friendly deposition which is very easy. Not hard to be decent really..
But OK..Maybe my membership here isnt the best idea as it would seem you people have a very protectionist regime if we/I ...anyone outside the US replies to an ad!
Quite sad really as clearly the item I was enquiring about hadnt been sold..lol..lol

Sep 29, 2024 at 10:35 PM

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