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Should I buy full frame?

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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Should I buy full frame?

Both my r5 and r7 are excellent cameras which I tend to use for different cases. Long hikes/gravel cycling and kayaking - r7 with rf100-400 plus either Rf 14-35 or Rf 16. This is influenced by weight and less $$$ lost in event of water ingress or falls... R5 with any of my Rf lenses when weight is out weighed by opportunity cost of missing the best possible image. On once in a lifetime trips I have never regretted having both bodies and their respective strengths and weaknesses. If I could only have one setup it would be r5 with 100x500, 24-105, 14-35 & 1.4 x tc - hence why I voted R5. If r5 and r7 was a voting option then that would have been my pick. Best Doug

Sep 19, 2024 at 07:22 AM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Should I buy full frame?

dmahar wrote:
Both my r5 and r7 are excellent cameras which I tend to use for different cases. Long hikes/gravel cycling and kayaking - r7 with rf100-400 plus either Rf 14-35 or Rf 16. This is influenced by weight and less $$$ lost in event of water ingress or falls... R5 with any of my Rf lenses when weight is out weighed by opportunity cost of missing the best possible image. On once in a lifetime trips I have never regretted having both bodies and their respective strengths and weaknesses. If I could only have one setup it would be r5 with...Show more →

Thank you, Doug!

Sep 19, 2024 at 07:56 AM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Should I buy full frame?

There are some good lenses now for APSC on canon. The Sigma 2.8 zooms recently released could be good travel companions for your R7. I don't have an R7, but I've heard many mixed things about it. The AF, rolling shutter, and noise performance of that sensor is generally a bit less than the FF line, if you believe what you read. If none of those things seem to be what you don't like about your images, then I don't think you'll see a big difference with a switch.

If you go 'up' to an R5 or R6 or R6II you will have a very versatile camera at a great price point. The 5II is overkill, but if you've got the money the most future proof. Used R3s are getting attractive prices (I just bought one, its wonderful). But the R6II and R5 are probably the best value, highest versatility cameras available today.

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Sep 19, 2024 at 08:49 AM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Should I buy full frame?

For primarily Wildlife / Nature, in my DSLR days I always toted two APSC bodies. one with a tele zoom, the other with a Wide-angle zoom primarily for Landscapes.

When the "more affordable" 6D came out I sold one of my 7D's and ended up with a 7D-2, and a 6D; but now I've gone R/RF with an R5, RF100-500, RF 24-105 F4, adapted EF 16-35 F4L

In your case, if budget is of any concern, I'd go for an R5, if not an R5-2, or if file size is an issue, a R6-2.

Sep 19, 2024 at 09:02 AM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Should I buy full frame?

I voted for the R8 because you said "travel". The smaller the camera, the easier it is to travel.

Sep 19, 2024 at 09:37 AM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Should I buy full frame?

tmoseley1 wrote:
Hi all,

I want to get back into photography!

I posted a question thread here before, and I thought a poll would be interesting. The situation: I am an amateur photographer, and have been for ~30 years, and like nice Canon equipment. After stupidly downsizing my gear, I have a R7, but want to take more landscape and travel photographs. I am therefore strongly wanting to upgrade with a new full frame Canon mirrorless body.

I see all the pros and cons, and this really comes down to which is worth the money. An R8, R6 Mk II, R5, or R5 Mk...Show more →

In order to respond meaningfully to your question, you really need to tell us more about why you are considering FF. What improvements do you need/expect, and how do you think they will affect your photographic production? What problems are you encountering with your current gear? What do you do with your photographs? How important are factors like weight, build, and cost to you?

Sep 19, 2024 at 10:14 AM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Should I buy full frame?

kakomu wrote:
I voted for the R8 because you said "travel". The smaller the camera, the easier it is to travel.

In that case you'll have to go with a small lens as well. The 24-105mm f/4.0 is relatively big, despite the small R8 body, so the 24-105mm stm is the better choice. However, is 24Mp (RP) + 24-105mm stm at full frame better for IQ than 32Mp (R7) + Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8?

The OP could also go with the R7 + Sigma RF-s 18-50mm. R5 + 24-105mm f/4.0 L will win for IQ though, and also for range. The Sigma starts at 28.8mm equivalent and ends at 88mm equivalent, and the aperture is f/4.48 equivalent.

Sep 19, 2024 at 11:29 AM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Should I buy full frame?

tmoseley1 wrote:
Thanks for a very informative response. To fill that gap, I was thinking about the 24-240 as a travel lens, or maybe the 24-105 f4.

I sold my 24-105 f/4L recently because it's big and heavy. I prefer small and compact nowadays. When the 28-70 f/2.8 comes out, I'll probably go with that. Lately, I've just been shooting with my primes because they're all smaller than most zooms out there (save for the 24-50).

Sep 19, 2024 at 11:39 AM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Should I buy full frame?

kakomu wrote:
I sold my 24-105 f/4L recently because it's big and heavy. I prefer small and compact nowadays. When the 28-70 f/2.8 comes out, I'll probably go with that. Lately, I've just been shooting with my primes because they're all smaller than most zooms out there (save for the 24-50).

Primes may be smaller and lighter until you need 3-4 of them of cover the range of one zoom.

Sep 19, 2024 at 11:43 AM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Should I buy full frame?

Yes you should-

Get what ever makes you go shoot more- My guess is you have an itch anyway and want to try a FF camera-

No other reason beyond that-

Sep 19, 2024 at 11:45 AM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Should I buy full frame?

steamtrain wrote:
In that case you'll have to go with a small lens as well. The 24-105mm f/4.0 is relatively big, despite the small R8 body, so the 24-105mm stm is the better choice. However, is 24Mp (RP) + 24-105mm stm at full frame better for IQ than 32Mp (R7) + Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8?

The OP could also go with the R7 + Sigma RF-s 18-50mm. R5 + 24-105mm f/4.0 L will win for IQ though, and also for range. The Sigma starts at 28.8mm equivalent and ends at 88mm equivalent, and the aperture is f/4.48 equivalent.

I'd happily go with the 24-105 STM over the 24-105 f/4L. Travel photographs rarely need the absolute highest image quality and the IQ of any RF lens is good enough for most people.

Sep 19, 2024 at 11:49 AM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Should I buy full frame?

Mike_5D wrote:
Primes may be smaller and lighter until you need 3-4 of them of cover the range of one zoom.

Then don't take 3-4 of them and don't worry about coverage. I rarely leave my house with more than the lens on my body and if I do, it's only a 2nd lens. This shouldn't be a foreign concept. Leave with one lens, and work within the constraints of that one lens. Artists since time immemorial have used constraints to make better or more interesting works.

Sep 19, 2024 at 11:50 AM

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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Should I buy full frame?

I’m thinking, if I go FF, I’ll travel with the 24-105 and 16-35. With crop, the 10-18 and 19-150.

Maybe both to cover the bases.

Sep 19, 2024 at 12:21 PM

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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · Should I buy full frame?

From my perspective, the main question is not FF or not. The big Q is how often you need to switch lenses between wideangle landscape and tele wildlife.

As you already have the 10-18, you are at FF 16mm, which usually is plenty wide. Wider is into specialty niche territory and usually demands the full attention without distracting wildlife ideas.

A wideangle crop body does not need all the different speeds (AF, fps, etc) that the R7 has, so a R10 would be a good companion to the R7. And if you find yourself at an extraordinarily beautiful spot, landscapes with corresponding heavens, you can pop the wide lens on the R7 for the small extra advantage of some 30 vs 24 Mp.

I had the R7, rebought the R10 a few weeks ago (really love the size/power/price ratio) and just had to pull the trigger on a R100 today, part GAS part more GAS. I like the power of those small and here around usually forgotten bodies. My main gear is R5 and RP. But I love the small croppers. When the light is good and the going is easy.

FF are definitely better at night, but you can get marvelous results with croppers too. Its mostly about the mix of shutter speed vs noice correction skills.

BTW, with a 24-240 added you would cover 16-384mm in FF angles of view. When I need to go very light and there is a need for both landscape and wildlife capture, but with one body, I put the 24-240 on a cropper. If it´s mostly but not exclusively landscape, I put it on the R5 (the AF of the RP does not understand moving subjects...)

Sep 19, 2024 at 04:13 PM

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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Should I buy full frame?

I'm in the same boat. Problem for me is going full frame I loose much wanted pixels. Plus reach. Even at 45MP FF. I am inclined to just stay with the 7D II. I want to do more travel photography also. So, I will just go with the excellent Sigma or Canon DSLR APSC lenses. And they are getting cheap now. Also software is getting so good now the old Canon 18-20mp. APCS cameras are very usable at high ISO's. No need to go FF at this stage IMO. Just buy good glass,

Sep 19, 2024 at 05:56 PM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Should I buy full frame?

My answer to the question, any question, about buying full frame, is always "yes."

I started digital photography with the 20D way back in 2005? and had many crop sensor cameras. When I was able to jump to full frame with the original 6D and then the 5D Mark IV, I've never looked back at crop sensor cameras. I then used a 6D Mark II for many years before finally jumping ship to mirrorless...and it was never a question as to whether I would do FF mirrorless or not. So I went straight to the R6 Mark II.

Between that and the R5 I don't think you can go wrong.

Sep 19, 2024 at 06:12 PM

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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · Should I buy full frame?

I would never go back to a mixed full-frame/crop system.

In my case the full frame 1Ds Mk III and 1.3× crop 1D Mk III were pretty much identical in their handling, controls and menus, differing only in sensor size, frame rate, resolution and high ISO performance. OP doesn’t/won’t even have that, since the R7’s control interface is radically different from every other Canon camera before or since.

The big relief in moving to an all–full-frame system for me, though, has been in trip planning. Take, for example, a trip to a semi-arid area which is a multi-day drive from Melbourne in each direction, which I only get to around once a decade – no making multiple trips in succession with different gear each time. It has spectacular scenery and harsh light, so I want my full frame sensor and ultrawide. It has wildlife not present in my home state, so I want my wildlife-capable camera, which the 1Ds Mk III is not. Previously I would have needed to carry both the full frame and crop bodies to do that – which means carrying an extra kilo even to lunch and petrol stops (in Australia, you don’t pay at the pump). Now, with the 100–500 and R3, I need only one body.

As for whether to settle on full frame or 1.6× crop, it’s clear at this stage that Canon has little interest in making good APS-C lenses, leaving that to Sigma. At any time, some MBA at either Canon or Sigma could decide the profit isn’t there, leaving APS-C to stagnate or discontinuing it outright. In Canon, the “happy path” is full-frame.

Sep 19, 2024 at 09:54 PM

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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · Should I buy full frame?

I had the R7 with my 100-500 last season and really loved how light and handy that package was. But I got the 200-800 to use with my R5 as I did not like some aspects of the R7. Well, the R5 with 200-800 is two hands full. Factoring in the linear difference in resolution the effective crop factor (R5 -> R7) is 1.36x, so the 100-500 on the R7 has the field of view of a 136 - 680mm FF(R5), very powerful. If the cropper is used for reach with the suitable lens and the FF for wide angles, the only difference left is the button and menu layout. And of course the very notable handyness of the tele combo.

For reference the effective R7 crop factor compared to any of the 24.2Mp 6000x4000 FF sensors is 1,856x making the 100-800 appear like a 186- 928mm field of view. That one is a real boost.

Sep 20, 2024 at 03:19 AM

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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · Should I buy full frame?

Max_Pain wrote:
My answer to the question, any question, about buying full frame, is always "yes.".

The answer to the question is often “no.” Or “sometimes.” Or “it depends.”

My primary system is full frame. But I also have a high quality APS-C system that I much prefer for portions of my photography because… it is more suited to producing quality work in certain genres.

Full frame systems (and larger formats in general) are capable of scoring higher on certain technical tests — system resolution, DR, noise, etc. But in quite a few cases smaller systems already score very well in those areas, too, and certainly more than adequate for many serious photographic uses. In addition, they are smaller and lighter and for some kinds of photography this can matter a lot.

Sep 20, 2024 at 09:18 AM

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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Should I buy full frame?

One thing the OP has not made ultimately clear is, would this acquisition be an addition to the APS-C body, or in place of it?

Sep 20, 2024 at 10:34 AM

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