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I want to get an ultra wide lens again. It won't be used often. Maybe 10 times per year. I want people who get the images to think they look good. Actually, I want the images to be good. Fisheye is a no-go. Been there. I will mount on Canon R6 and R5 and have EF > RF adapters. The widest I've got is 24-70mm 2.8. It's doubtful I'd use anything wider than 24mm in the redwoods where I explore. So a newly acquired ultrawide will be for people, events, places. Lighter weight is preferred, but I don't have to carry all the time so I'm open to prime or zoom. I'm thinking like 14mm to 20mm range. Auto or MF

If your needs were similar, and you would use ultrawide maybe a dozen times yearly, what lens or lenses would you consider?

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Sep 12, 2024 at 04:22 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Ultra wide lens for Canon - Manual or auto? Canon or 3rd party ?


Milvus 15mm


Sep 12, 2024 at 04:29 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Ultra wide lens for Canon - Manual or auto? Canon or 3rd party ?


I adapt the Canon EF 11-24 mm f4 and a Sigma 14mm f1.8 on my R5 for UWA landscape and astrophotography. Both are quite good.


Sep 12, 2024 at 05:44 PM
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Surprising to see $1200-ish lenses presented as options to get for a dozen uses per year. If bought used and depreciation didn't exist, they could substitute as a form of savings. Regarding the Milvus 15mm two replies above, only a used copy would come close to the ceiling of my budget. If the formula is the same as the classic Zeiss 15mm, that one could shave off a couple hundred dollars



Sep 12, 2024 at 08:11 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Ultra wide lens for Canon - Manual or auto? Canon or 3rd party ?


I’d try the RF16/2.8 first, then look at alternatives only if it doesn’t meet your need.

Can’t think of a better occasional use UWA and it’s tiny and cheap as chips.



Sep 12, 2024 at 08:19 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Ultra wide lens for Canon - Manual or auto? Canon or 3rd party ?


widest I know of is Laowa 10mm f2.8 rf manual only.


Sep 12, 2024 at 08:39 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Ultra wide lens for Canon - Manual or auto? Canon or 3rd party ?


I second the 16mm 2.8. There are some Samyang/Rokinon 14mm options people find OK as well. I have a 14mm Rokinon manual focus that I bought for astro, but its pretty ugly on FF. Works well for landscapes though.

Wide angles for people are often unflattering, with the perspective distortion they come with. So watch out for that.

Brian



Sep 12, 2024 at 09:16 PM
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hsiunghsiung wrote:
widest I know of is Laowa 10mm f2.8 rf manual only.


That's quite a bit wider than 14mm to 20mm noted in the OP. But a quick search finds that Laowa has options less wide than 10mm. That browse for Loawa showed some listings for two other lenses I completely forgot about.

The Irix 15mm Blackstone and Firefly at f/2.4


jedibrain wrote:
I second the 16mm 2.8. There are some Samyang/Rokinon 14mm options people find OK as well. I have a 14mm Rokinon manual focus that I bought for astro, but its pretty ugly on FF. Works well for landscapes though.

Wide angles for people are often unflattering, with the perspective distortion they come with. So watch out for that.

Brian



It wouldn't be for anything portrait. And I remember that a heavy person at the edge of even 24mm makes them look like they put on an extra 200 lbs..

But I'm thinking more like a wedding party posed in the center 1/3 with a 1/3 on each side of them. Or like holding over a dance floor.

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Sep 12, 2024 at 09:20 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Ultra wide lens for Canon - Manual or auto? Canon or 3rd party ?


There's the RF 15-35 STM. It's F4 at 15 so not the fastest but it's $449 brand new and $359 refurbished. Even in stock


Sep 12, 2024 at 10:07 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Ultra wide lens for Canon - Manual or auto? Canon or 3rd party ?


I'd look at 16-35/4.

I used 11-16 (about 18-26 ff equivalent) for holuday photo one time, haven't done that again. Seems like I got eggheaded people. Probably could take people photos using it if you kept them in the middle, you have to look out for the inherent uwa distortion on the sides /edges (even though 11-16 is low distortion.)

I'd recommend using it in the forest as well.



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AmbientMike wrote:
I'd look at 16-35/4.

I used 11-16 (about 18-26 ff equivalent) for holuday photo one time, haven't done that again. Seems like I got eggheaded people. Probably could take people photos using it if you kept them in the middle, you have to look out for the inherent uwa distortion on the sides /edges (even though 11-16 is low distortion.)

I'd recommend using it in the forest as well.


Do you mean the vintage Tokina 11-16mm? I recall those being very sharp with excellent color, but isn't that lens a crop sensor model?

On full frame, is that 18-26 equivalent, or the reverse?

I think I used one on a 5D mk ii and it worked in the 15mm to 16mm range.

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Sep 12, 2024 at 10:35 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Ultra wide lens for Canon - Manual or auto? Canon or 3rd party ?


RF 15-30 is light, good iq at f8, inexpensive - and covers your range.


Sep 12, 2024 at 11:16 PM
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Scott Stoness wrote:
RF 15-30 is light, good iq at f8, inexpensive - and covers your range.


That's one to ponder.

I had f/2.8 etched in thought. But after you posted, I went into my files looking for something I shot at 16mm for a wedding reception dance. And with lights, I was shooting at night 1/200 and f/11



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Sep 13, 2024 at 12:25 AM
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mdvaden wrote:
Do you mean the vintage Tokina 11-16mm? I recall those being very sharp with excellent color, but isn't that lens a crop sensor model?

On full frame, is that 18-26 equivalent, or the reverse?

I think I used one on a 5D mk ii and it worked in the 15mm to 16mm range.

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Yes, the Tokina 11-16. It's aps, on FF you'd need 18-26 or so for the same field of view.

Yes, I used it on the 5D, 15mm had some vignetting, probably easy to remove, 16mm pretty good though. Apparently only Canon has EF-s, 3rd party uwa aps can be used on FF.

A couple others you might look at are the Tamron 15-30/2.8, heavy but good even on astro apparently, latest 17-35 Tamron looks good. If you're into the retro, Adaptall-2 17mm used to be popular on here



Sep 13, 2024 at 12:37 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Ultra wide lens for Canon - Manual or auto? Canon or 3rd party ?


I'd try the Rokinon 14mm - I have the EF one and it's around $280 but they look to now have an RF around $400. I use it for astro every now and then and the odd landscape - I love the lens.


Sep 13, 2024 at 12:42 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Ultra wide lens for Canon - Manual or auto? Canon or 3rd party ?


Manual focus becomes harder the wider you go. For ultrawide, I’d always go for an AF lens.

I haven’t used the RF 16mm f/2.8 but based on reviews it does seem a likely candidate for you.

If the frequently recommended Canon zooms are out of your price range, consider a used EF 16–35mm f/2.8 II. It doesn’t completely deserve its poor reputation compared to the later Mk III and EF 16–35mm f/4 IS. It had a very funky W-shaped field curvature and suffered from lowish contrast at some distance settings, and softer corners wide open than the later lenses. But I also have some outstanding images I made with it – it’s just that it’s a bit of a handful to shoot with it and postprocess its results. I did replace it with the EF 16–35mm f/4 IS, but it was actually a while before I was sure I wanted to sell the old lens.

You didn’t mention video, but if you’re planning to do any with an ultrawide, avoid a third party ultrawide because ultrawides usually vignette quite a lot and the camera can’t corrrect that for third party lenses when shooting video.



Sep 13, 2024 at 05:18 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Ultra wide lens for Canon - Manual or auto? Canon or 3rd party ?


The EF 16-35 F4L is a stellar lens, and the only EF lens I kept when going with R/RF.


Sep 13, 2024 at 09:21 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Ultra wide lens for Canon - Manual or auto? Canon or 3rd party ?


One more voice for the 16-35mm f/4L IS. I love mine and it's the longest serving wide angle lens in my career... by a fair margin. Not sure I would want to replace it with anything despite going (part-time) mirrorless.


Sep 13, 2024 at 09:33 AM
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mdvaden wrote:
It's doubtful I'd use anything wider than 24mm in the redwoods where I explore.


Probably not what you want to hear, but none of my in-the-woods shots, including California Redwoods shots, were any good until I started using my tilt-shift lenses in there. (I should clarify that I thought they were fine before I started using the tilt/shift lenses, but now when I look at the old forest shots they look deficient.) I've had the best results with the Canon TS-E 17 f/4L, though the TS-E 24 II is excellent as well.

But that's not really what you were asking about, so...

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mawz wrote:
I’d try the RF16/2.8 first, then look at alternatives only if it doesn’t meet your need.


I own this lens, but don't find myself using it much. There's nothing wrong with it, but I prefer the framing flexibility that I get with a zoom.

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robstein wrote:
I'd try the Rokinon 14mm - I have the EF one and it's around $280 but they look to now have an RF around $400. I use it for astro every now and then and the odd landscape - I love the lens.


And just after saying I prefer a zoom for this kind of photography, I have to contradict myself and say I also own and love this lens. It's very sharp, even away from the center of the frame. The one thing I would warn the OP about is that it has substantial mustache distortion, which cannot be easily (or completely) fixed in post. It's fine for shots that lack long straight lines, but not a good choice for architecture. That doesn't mean it can't be used in cities -- one of my favorite images was made with this lens on a busy street in Brussels. The composition didn't really show the mustache distortion much, and the corrections I made in post minimized it. So unless you're shooting architecture (for which a tilt/shift lens would be better anyway), this lens is an excellent choice.

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melcat wrote:
Manual focus becomes harder the wider you go.


I've found the opposite to be true. When I was walking around Brussels with my Rokinon 14 (mentioned above), I just set it to the hyperfocal distance at f/8. That puts everything in focus from about two feet to infinity, accounting for a reasonable circle of confusion value. I've printed the image mentioned previously at 16x24 inches and it's tack sharp. I'm sure I could print larger.

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That said, I'm going to have to agree with the others who recommended the Canon EF 16-35 f/4L. It's probably my most-used ultra wide lens. It's sharp, gives the framing flexibility I prefer, and has image stabilization. Plus, because people are flocking to the RF ultrawides and selling off their EF lenses, it's super cheap for the quality of lens you're getting. The only downside is that attaching it to an RF-mount body means having to use the adapter, which causes it to stick out farther than one would normally expect an ultrawide zoom to stick out.

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I know you didn't ask about super-ultra-wides, but at least one other person above suggested one. For that use, my advice would be to check out the 7Artisans 9 mm f/5.6. It's a little bit wider than the Laowa 10 mm lens previously mentioned, cheaper, and it's sharp corner-to-corner. It doesn't get much discussion here, and I only bought it on a whim. But I'm glad I did -- it delivers really excellent image quality.

It has three disadvantages vs. Canon native lenses: 1) Manual focus and aperture. This is even less of a problem than it is with the Rokinon 14, as the hyperfocal distance is even closer. 2) No communication with the camera (also like the Rokinon). So the metadata won't show which lens was used, or the shooting aperture. 3) It's f/5.6 at its widest aperture. That's pretty dark if you're shooting in low light.

This is the lens I might use 5 or 10 times per year, just because it's so ridiculously wide. So the disadvantages I outlined above aren't much of an issue to me. I probably shoot fifteen times as many frames with the EF 16-35 f/4L, or ten times as many with the EF 11-24 f/4L. (I didn't mention the 11-24 earlier, because it doesn't really meet your criteria. But it's an excellent lens as well, IFF you don't mind the bulk and weight.)



Sep 13, 2024 at 12:33 PM
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moondigger wrote:
Probably not what you want to hear, but none of my in-the-woods shots, including California Redwoods shots, were any good until I started using my tilt-shift lenses in there. (I should clarify that I thought they were fine before I started using the tilt/shift lenses, but now when I look at the old forest shots they look deficient.) I've had the best results with the Canon TS-E 17 f/4L, though the TS-E 24 II is excellent as well.

But that's not really what you were asking about, so...

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That fine, glad you chimed in. Always enjoy occassional off-ramps to misc. ideas. I bought a couple tilt-shift to use in the redwood forests but sold them because I found a method that works for me getting back a bit further and merging composites using 35mm to 200mm. After a distillery asked to get them a single image to use for $800, I decided that every best scene I find in the future will get shot multiple frames so that potential recipients can print anything from 8 x 10 to 10 ft. x 10 ft.

Also, like what you noted about zoom in your reply to the other person you quoted. That's worth considering. I suspect choosing between prime vs zoom may be a bigger hurdle for me than which brand of lens to pick.
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