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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Nikon Z 50/1.4 announced


https://m.dpreview.com/news/5298559681/nikon-announces-the-nikkor-z-50mm-f1-4


Sep 09, 2024 at 11:28 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Nikon Z 50/1.4 announced


It’s a good price. I’m tempted. I want the 1.4 line, but I wonder what used prices for the 1.4 will be, even the 1.8 be.


Sep 09, 2024 at 11:57 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Nikon Z 50/1.4 announced


First impressions are promising:

https://youtu.be/H4jvdSFJ2_0?si=31S_PU7CQpndXjtq



Sep 10, 2024 at 02:56 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Nikon Z 50/1.4 announced


I feel that the 58mm 1.4g was and still is the best option for a 50mm for the Z and more so the Zf.



Sep 10, 2024 at 04:31 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Nikon Z 50/1.4 announced


The best option for what?
The prime selection in this focal length range is now very large in Z-mount and there are various specialists for different areas of application in addition to all-rounders.
You now have the choice between Z 50/1.4, Z MC 50/2.8, Z 50/1.8 S, Z 50/1.2 S, Z 58/0.95 Noct, CV 50/2 Apo Lanthar Z, CV 50/1 Nokton Z, just to mention the native Z mount lenses.
So there is a large selection with different strengths in different application areas, so basically there is no best option, at most in very specific application areas, but not in general.

The range, also in terms of price, is now enormous.
The F-mount 58/1.4 is undoubtedly still an interesting option, but the Z-mount basically offers some of the best lenses available today in this focal length range for every requirement and budget.
Be it super-bright and weighty bokeh monsters like the Z 50/1.2 S or Noct, or the smaller MF CV 50/1 Nokton Z, affordable all-rounders like the Z 50/1.4 or the very high-quality Z 50/1.8 S with different orientations, or optically outstanding corrected and high-resolution specialists for landscape/architecture/cityscapes, like the travel friendly 50mm f/2 Apo Lanthar.



Sep 10, 2024 at 04:53 AM
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Sonnar-7 wrote:
I feel that the 58mm 1.4g was and still is the best option for a 50mm for the Z and more so the Zf.


I agree, with the FTZ it works even better than on a D-SLR, took it for a spin this morning on the old D800 and it is a superb lens with the advantage of the eye AF on a Z.

I added the 50S/1.8 which is amazingly sharp but lacks character while the 50S/1.2 is not just huge but also still too expensive, the 58 is a perfect balance of size, character and I'd say even cost if found used.

I don't think this f1.4 S series is anything interesting and probably this latter iteration confirms it being no meat no fish



Sep 10, 2024 at 05:53 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Nikon Z 50/1.4 announced


I have to say, the rendering on this looks far more appealing than on the 35/1.4. It looks quite lovely, actually.


Sep 10, 2024 at 08:08 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Nikon Z 50/1.4 announced


Nikon really needed this lens and it looks like it’s delivering. Nikon calling it a character lens is a bit of a stretch based on the sample images.


Sep 10, 2024 at 08:23 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Nikon Z 50/1.4 announced


Now, a 28mm f1.4 please!
And then maybe a 105mm f2.5?
"Character lenses"



Sep 10, 2024 at 08:37 AM
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Jman13 wrote:
I have to say, the rendering on this looks far more appealing than on the 35/1.4. It looks quite lovely, actually.


From the available samples from Nikon and a handful of YTs so far I would agree. I had trouble seeing the appeal of the 35/1.4, though of course when it comes to "character" that's a matter of opinion and some folks definitely liked it. In this case I'm not seeing the more obvious "flaws" that the 35/1.4 has. The acid test is probably going to be distant focus bokeh, like a group shot in front of out of focus foliage, which is often hard for lots and lots of lenses.

Time will tell, but I could certainly see a number people going for this over the 1.8S, especially post-introduction when it gets similar discounts to the 1.8S.



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Nikon Z 50/1.4 announced


Looks like a winner , wonder if they will bother with the 85 1.4 .. cream machine V3


Sep 10, 2024 at 09:24 AM
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Vento wrote:
The best option for what?
The prime selection in this focal length range is now very large in Z-mount and there are various specialists for different areas of application in addition to all-rounders.
You now have the choice between Z 50/1.4, Z MC 50/2.8, Z 50/1.8 S, Z 50/1.2 S, Z 58/0.95 Noct, CV 50/2 Apo Lanthar Z, CV 50/1 Nokton Z, just to mention the native Z mount lenses.
So there is a large selection with different strengths in different application areas, so basically there is no best option, at most in very specific application areas, but not in general.

The range, also
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The best option overall for an auto-focus weather resistant 50mm lens for the Z though I get one lens one usage regarding its strength, I’m not oblivious to that. Those discussions are hard that’s why the internet is filled with never ending debates.
I think the 58mm 1.4g is the best overall 50mm for the Zf as it boast some great specs still, nice sharpness, good rendering(with an intent, and that has become rare or non-existent) and a design with a langage. It feels like a whole, that might be why it’s still feel relevant ten years later.
The line-up tries hard not to overlap one an other and it shows somewhat. I’m pretty sur it holds things back and it’s a bit sad, it’s not Nikon’s fault as every brand does it for any product, the time where they gave you everything they got has passed.
I still have more love for Nikon than any brand, and I like them because they always at one point just do the impossible or the crazy thing nobody dares to do.
I wonder if that 50mm 1.4 was not too restrained by the will not to overlap. We’ll see, there might be a 58mm 1.4 Plena in a near future hope it won’t cost the 1.2 s line money.




Sep 10, 2024 at 01:43 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Nikon Z 50/1.4 announced




That 1.8 S is really good.



Sep 10, 2024 at 08:30 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
Nikon really needed this lens and it looks like it’s delivering. Nikon calling it a character lens is a bit of a stretch based on the sample images.


No where on Nikon's page does it say "character". I have seen reviews call it that but Nikon doesn't.



Sep 10, 2024 at 08:48 PM
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'Notably, the new lens is slightly less expensive than Nikon's own 50mm F1.8 S prime, which is part of Nikon's premium 'S' series of lenses. It was suggested to us that the non-S lens prioritizes character over clinical sharpness.'

https://www.dpreview.com/news/5298559681/nikon-announces-the-nikkor-z-50mm-f1-4

You might wonder who did the suggesting. It's interesting to track the progress of Nikon and Sony in their three ~50mm lenses. Sony put a lot of effort into its f1.2 and f1.4 lenses to accompany the old but respected 55/1.8 and the new 50/2.5. And they are the premier recipient of the Voigtlander 50mm lenses at f1, f1.2 and f2 APO.

I feel Nikon could certainly benefit from remaking some old favorites in Z-mount, as Leica is doing. The (2013) 58/1.4G is an obvious candidate here, and it would fill a niche too. Maybe their design teams are all under 30 years old and cannot remember (or don't care for) the rich corporate history.

thanks for the MTF charts, they are very informative, using the same methodology. See below the CV 50/2 APO chart, and do keep in mind that is an *actual lens*, whereas the Nikon graph is data - a calculated set of curves, computer generated and widely believed to be optimistic - an idealized scenario with a tenuous hold on reality. The graphs below also show 10/30 lpmm, as the top two line pairs.

Note that they and the 50/1.8 S above have lines crossing at around the wide edge of 18mm of image height wide open, to aid in suppressing CA. Both succeed admirably. For final sharpness differences, there is at least 10-15% in it, as seen in the second line pair 30 lpmm. The toughest lens test is the 40 lpmm in the CV chart, the bottom line pair - it is as good as the 30 lpmm graph for the calculated Nikon lens data.





Voitlander 50/2 APO: 10/30/40 lpmm - E-mount and Z-mount lens




Sep 10, 2024 at 10:56 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Nikon Z 50/1.4 announced


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philip_pj wrote:
I feel Nikon could certainly benefit from remaking some old favorites in Z-mount, as Leica is doing. The (2013) 58/1.4G is an obvious candidate here, and it would fill a niche too.


For what it's worth, I would buy a Z 58/1.4 for sure.

—Peter.




Sep 11, 2024 at 07:38 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Nikon Z 50/1.4 announced


Just trying to figure this out. Does Nikon have the same lens lineup like Sony? Sony has their cheap value lenses, than G lenses, and then GM lenses. It seems like the 1.8 S lenses from Nikon are not the same S-Line as their flagships like the 50mm 1.2 S or 70-200 2.8 S. Even the S logo are different. Take a look at the 24-120 vs a 14-24...






Sep 11, 2024 at 12:31 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Nikon Z 50/1.4 announced


You're overthinking it. S means S. S means sharp and clinical. S is basically the Nikon equivalent of GM, but some "cheaper" lenses get the S badge on Nikon too.


Sep 11, 2024 at 12:39 PM
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Driften wrote:
No where on Nikon's page does it say "character". I have seen reviews call it that but Nikon doesn't.


You have to read between the lines. That they say it sharpens as you stop down is your big clue, most Nikon product pages tout sharpness wide open as a main selling point.



Sep 11, 2024 at 12:41 PM
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ArizonaImage wrote:
Even the S logo are different. Take a look at the 24-120 vs a 14-24...


This is solely due to the release date of the lens.
Nikon has changed the size and font of the S logo over time, as the Z-mount has been around for several years.
Similar design decisions have also been made in other areas, such as the OLED display, which is now history and can only be found on the earlier releases, Z 14-24/2.8 S, Z 24-70/2.8 S, Z 70-200/2.8 VR S, Z MC 105/2.8 VR S.

The enlarged S logo can be found on the newer releases, such as the Z 85/1.2 S, Z 135/1.8 S Plena, Z 24-120/4 S, Z 400/4.5 VR S, Z 600/6.3 PF VR S, all other Z Supertele solutions, whereas the small S logo can be found on the early Z-mount lenses.
This means on all f/1.8 S primes with the exception of the newer Plena, but also on the Holy Trinity or the Z 24-70/4 S.
Even the Z 58/0.95 S Noct comes, as one of the early Z lenses, with the old, small S-Line logo.
So it is absolutely not a quality feature, but the difference in logo design between the early Z-mount lenses of the S-line and the current ones.

The old S logo was extremely subtle and small, only noticeable at second or third glance, the S is presented in a downright shy, even modest way.
The new S logo is much more aggressive, more visible, and more in keeping with the spirit of the times.

Logically, S-line is of course an inhomogeneous group, which is inevitable when the range extends from the sinfully expensive 58/0.95 S Noct, or Z 400/2.8 TC VRS S, Z 600/4 TC VR S, exotics such as a Z 85/1.2 S, Z 135/1.8 S Plena to a Z 24-70/4 S or Z 24-120/4 S and the effort involved diverges significantly.
In any case, special effort is put into the coatings and types of glass, where the red pencil is used for Z lenses without S badge, but within the lenses marked with S there are of course still significant differences in quality and price.

The latter, in relation to the types of glass used, can already be seen clearly in the lens cross-sections posted above.
The Z 50/1.8 S has 2 ED glass elements and two aspherical lens elements.
The Z 50/1.4 has to do without the ED glass elements and make do with one aspherical element.
The same applies to the coatings, the Z 50/1.4 has to do without the Nano Crystal Coating of the Z 50/1.8 S.
These are ultimately the factors that cause more aberrations at wide apertures, poorer properties in backlighting, stray light, flaring, veiling flare, contrast loss, less consistent sharpness, or simply more character.

To be fair, it has to be said that lens design is always about compromises, so corrective measures are rarely a one-way street.
On the one hand, aspherical elements help to control various optical aberrations, for example, but they can also have a visibly negative effect on the bokeh.
However, modern designs such as the Plena or the new Sony 85/1.4 show that manufacturers in this price range are now getting better and better at combining outstanding bokeh properties with outstanding optically corrected lenses.
There are also quite a few photographers who swear by lenses with as few glass elements as possible and attribute advantages in micro contrast and 3D pop to them.
This is a difficult area because it cannot really be backed up with hard facts.







Sep 11, 2024 at 12:58 PM
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