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Heat haze - anything you can do about it?

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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Heat haze - anything you can do about it?

rscheffler wrote:
Zoom in on your images in-camera and check the background. If it looks 'disturbed' like in the image on the right side, it's heat haze. The two images below are the same player and similar play but different game (or different time during a game - I don't recall now).

Both images actually have heat haze degradation but the one on the right is much worse, obviously.

https://i.postimg.cc/brJP1ffp/Screen-Shot-2023-09-27-at-22-17-09-A.jpg

Thanks for the information and the example. However I think I have an issue with this with my lens. I have the 400 F4 DO IS v2. B/C it is a DO lens the backgrounds are a little off compared to other lenses. If you take a look at the photo below, you'll see a background that I believe looks similar to your high heat haze shot (correct me if I'm wrong). However the player IMO is pretty darn sharp (much sharper than it would have been with the heat haze I've had before).

Any advice on this? Thanks!

Sep 10, 2024 at 01:25 PM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Heat haze - anything you can do about it?

rscheffler wrote:
Pray for wind, stand instead of kneeling or sitting (though I do prefer a lower angle) and wait for the action to be relatively close so you're shooting through less of the heat waves. Or only shoot games on natural turf. Extreme solution: win the lottery, buy your team/school/community a real turf field and also pay for the upkeep.

From a photographer's perspective, Field Turf (and similar) should be banned.

Even if your conditions were cold and overcast, Field Turf type turf might have been 'preheated' earlier by direct sunlight, the heat from which would have been stored by the...Show more →

It's bad for the players health (PFAS) and environment. Should be banned everywhere. I don't think you can find it in Europe.
https://doh.wa.gov/community-and-environment/schools/environmental-health/synthetic-turf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10262297/
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/10/phillies-ball-players-cancer-artifical-turf

Sep 10, 2024 at 02:18 PM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Heat haze - anything you can do about it?

Things to consider:

A larger aperture can potentially help on long-distance shots, but is usually signficantly more expensive.

Taking the hood off and letting the lens acclimatize can help. If the lens is at a different temperature than the ambient environment, and if the hood is on, it can warm or cool the air inside the hood air space and this can lead to really blurry images. Taking the hood off can provide a partial fix but ideally one waits until the gear is in the ambient temperature. This can be a challenge though to achieve.

Sep 10, 2024 at 02:27 PM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Heat haze - anything you can do about it?

pulper11 wrote:
Thanks for the information and the example. However I think I have an issue with this with my lens. I have the 400 F4 DO IS v2. B/C it is a DO lens the backgrounds are a little off compared to other lenses. If you take a look at the photo below, you'll see a background that I believe looks similar to your high heat haze shot (correct me if I'm wrong). However the player IMO is pretty darn sharp (much sharper than it would have been with the heat haze I've had before).

Any advice on this? Thanks!

https://photobybarnick.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/0O9A1391-scaled.jpg

The BG certainly looks like atmospherics effecting it, but the player (subject) was much closer to the camera so you wouldn't see the effect much if at all.
The more air space you have between you and your subject the worse it gets.
Nothing wrong with your lens. If something was wrong with it, you'd see it in all your images at any distance to subject.

Sep 10, 2024 at 02:40 PM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Heat haze - anything you can do about it?

Similar thing happened to me a few days ago to shoot my first soccer game on the turf with my 300 2.8

. Saw the images in post to realize most were soft when action was far. Yes, the closer the players, the sharper they'll be, and I wish my lens had some sort of filter to combat that

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LuckyStrike88 wrote:
years ago the day after I got my 300 2.8 I promptly headed down to a local Heron lagoon... Herons everywhere and I shot 100's of glorious images (It was July and quite warm and I shot between 10 AM - 12:30)
Got home and not a single image was usable .. fuzzy, not even focused ...Thought my new $$$ lens was a dud
Thats the day I learned about atmospherics

Sep 10, 2024 at 03:03 PM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Heat haze - anything you can do about it?

pulper11 wrote:
Thanks for the information and the example. However I think I have an issue with this with my lens. I have the 400 F4 DO IS v2. B/C it is a DO lens the backgrounds are a little off compared to other lenses. If you take a look at the photo below, you'll see a background that I believe looks similar to your high heat haze shot (correct me if I'm wrong). However the player IMO is pretty darn sharp (much sharper than it would have been with the heat haze I've had before).

Any advice on this? Thanks!

That's still heat haze, but here you were close enough with the 400 that you didn't getting much of it between you and the subject. Perhaps it was windy enough across the field in that area, but for sure, if you shot something on the far side of the field from that position, it would have been soft. IME the intensity of the heat haze blur will oscillate from moment to moment, shot to shot.

Sep 10, 2024 at 03:51 PM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Heat haze - anything you can do about it?

Oh the shimmer.... The main positive: it has largely cured my ever-longer-lens-GAS. In my small part of the World I find a limit at around 400mm FF 24-30Mp. With tighter fields of view or higher resolution the turbulence gets from annoying to "why do I even bother with this sh!t".

But, even in the severest shimmer I encounter, "hot" spring winds over sea ice, the hot seaeagle days in April. Occasionally one image and even a few happen to have just the right few pixels sharp, eg. the beak or eye or claw of an eagle with the rest a distorted mess at pixel level. Those images can have that Look to them, especially if the turbulence is pronounced, if it can be clearly visible as turbulence, as heat. So the 20 fps of the R5 and faster with the newer models just might save one or two shots out of hundreds or thousands.

This is also the main reason for me finding love for my 600/11, smal and potent, compared to my 800/11, ultra long and sampling max heat shimmer.

Sep 12, 2024 at 02:48 AM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Heat haze - anything you can do about it?

Thank you to all of the science lessons in this thread. I'm not able to contribute in any way to help, I just loved that it became so much more than a photography lesson

Sep 14, 2024 at 04:24 PM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Heat haze - anything you can do about it?

While sitting on an artificial turf field yesterday, I remembered this thread and snapped a close up of the turf, for those unfamiliar with how its 'soil' consists of bits of black rubber:

Sep 16, 2024 at 12:48 PM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Heat haze - anything you can do about it?

rscheffler wrote:
While sitting on an artificial turf field yesterday, I remembered this thread and snapped a close up of the turf, for those unfamiliar with how its 'soil' consists of bits of black rubber:

https://i.postimg.cc/1Rc4V8Y0/IMG-9658-A.jpg

This PFAS emitting black rubber adds some extra "action" feel to the photos:

Sep 16, 2024 at 02:20 PM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Heat haze - anything you can do about it?

It also gets in your shoes and then in the car, tracked through the house, etc.

Sep 16, 2024 at 03:28 PM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Heat haze - anything you can do about it?

rscheffler wrote:
It also gets in your shoes and then in the car, tracked through the house, etc.

Well at least it's not radioactive

Sep 16, 2024 at 04:16 PM

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