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 p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · R5 Mark II vs R5 classic- DR trade off in practice ? | |
Thank you to everyone who commented and responded to my original post so far. It's good to know that the differences in DR between the R5 and R5 Mark II obviously are largely irrelevant in practice. Yes, that already had been stated and suspected before, after Bill Claff's analysis was published. But to me, the practical experiences of photogs who own /have owned both cameras and use them also for stills (landscapes), are more important than guess work and theoretical conclusions.
RustyRus wrote:
Its crazy time we live in- Arguably the greatest full frame camera ever made (insert Z8, A93, M11 to argue) and probably the best camera you have ever put your hands on.
Here we are worried about youtube and the 1/2 stop loss of Dynamic range-
Maybe. However, the last thing I wish and I'd expect from a € 5000 Kamera is a step backwards from the predecessor in terms of IQ for stills photography no matter that the R5 Mark II is focused on speed, action and video. So it has been a valid question, IMO, if and to which extent the differences to the R5 on paper translate in visible effects and consequences for IQ in practice. That said, I remember very well the reviews in the DSLR age when Canon always got critized for having less DR and ISO invariance compared to competitive cameras from Nikon or Sony. Perhaps those criteria are less important or more balanced today, -also given helpers like Topaz and PureRaw- whereas other features like AF and video, of course - and additional bells and whistles have the priority. For me, the overall IQ still is one of the most important factors, though.
As for the Youtubers, I agree for the most part. A lot of them are influencers or paid shills and tend to exaggerate things in one or the other direction. I seldom take their tests for neutral and balanced. There are a few nature photographers out there on YT, who seem to be pretty unbiased, competent and reliable, though, - e.g. Ian Wegener and Duade Paton. However, both of them are exclusively bird photographers and thus primarily praise the R5 II's better autofocus and pre-burst functionality here. That's credible and impressive from what e.g. Ian shows in his review video and it's a big plus of the new camera. It certainly has also contributed to my decision to consider the upgrade though I don't base my decisions only on that kind of reviews, of course. BTW, being a bird photographer, even Ian Wegener has headlined his well-respected field review "R5 Mark II: Near PERFECT with a SURPRISING FLAW!..." referencing the "flaw" to the lower DR (see that video, from min 24:29 on)
As explained in my initial post, I'm not 100 % into bird photography but shoot all kinds of nature including wildlife and landscapes, depending on the situation or travel. In the past decades, I had upgraded several of my cameras (5D III --> 5D IV, 7D-->7D II, 1DX--->1DXII---->1DXIII). But to replace the R5 by the R5 II has been a pretty difficult decision, because the original model has already been excellent for most tasks. Scott has summarized his experiences and the facts very well (thank you !). That's why, for a longer period, I struggled with the decision whether the upgrade was worth it for me, considering the price. That's also evident, if you need or want to sell the R5 to make up for the price of the successor. People look for a bargain and normally don't want to pay an appropriate price for the R5 that still "was" a high end camera a few weeks ago. Consequently, you currently need to add € 2000 to 2500 for the purchase of R5 II by then. Dumping prices for used R5 cams in excellent conditions may be welcomed from the perspective of potential buyers but are bad news for private sellers, of course. That had been one of the reasons, too, why I originally had decided to keep my R5 and skip the upgrade. BUT after more reading and viewing field reports such as those mentioned above, I finally changed my mind and sold my trusty R5 + BG-R10 to a buyer who still was willing to pay a tolerable price and afterwards ordered the R5 II as I already had mentioned in my initial post. That all happened before the DR-charts and IQ discussions popped up. Therefore any advices to keep the R5 are obsolete now. Admittedly, I'm meanwhile a bit with EBH's position again and somehow regret that I have given up on my original plan to keep the R5 and save the money. Additionally, the shipment of the R5II is announced to be delayed now for several months. So I can only wait and hope that the R5 II lives up to expectations in the end. Alternatively, I maybe could cancel the order of the R5II due to the potentially long delay and look for a used R5 again. But that might turn out even more questionable and frustrating after I just sold my R5 in excellent condition. I've not yet made up my mind.
Wolfgang
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