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EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM ?

  
 
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM ?


A bit of a dilemma: Canon EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM


I have been interested in both these lenses for landscape / cityscape work for some time; and by chance both have become available at a local electronics retailer.

Both priced at £1000, both with a 2 yr guarantee. The price seems ok going from what other UK dealers are asking. I can afford one.

I don’t know which to go for, and thought I’d ask on here if anyone has used either lens, and their opinions of them.

Ideally of course; comments from someone who is familiar with both.

I would be using a 5d SR mainly, but also shoot B+W film (exclusively Ilford); and was wondering how this would work out…as I read both lenses were designed for digital sensors. Personally I don’t see any problems.

The retailer has a returns policy that means I have two weeks to trial them, so that will be useful; but a heads up on here would be welcomed.



Aug 29, 2024 at 04:19 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM ?


I have both, and yes both perform very well in the new R bodies - or at least on my R3
two different beasts and if really into cityscapes, the 17mm might even be a better option (I have that too)
with the 11mm you will have some distortion and edges won't be wonderfull, but the ts-e can't do 11mm unless you pan and shift with a tripod.
if you can afford, then get both maybe used? it's very likely that you can find a well taken care copy from a reliable FM member. and ofcourse get the drop-in filter adpater with clear filter - the cpl and nd you can get better deals from some other top brands







Aug 29, 2024 at 05:44 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM ?


Like Bacalhau, I have both, as well as the 17 mm T/S. Neither of the two you are considering is really a substitute for the other.

For cityscapes, maybe one of the tilt-shift options would be a better choice, as you can easily correct converging verticals. But the 11-24 is a more versatile general-purpose lens, so I guess if you can't get two, you'll just have dig through your files and figure out which lens would best suit your shooting habits.



Aug 29, 2024 at 06:04 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM ?


Unfortunately the £1000 for each is their s/h price.

The 17mm TS is also available as it happens...for £900...and I did wonder if that should be another option.

One thing that concerns me a bit is I have been watching a lot of Youtube videos on both lenses....and I have been able to do a good imitation of their sample pics using images from my 24 - 105 f4 with Photoshop. I have thought for some time that software developments will eventually eliminate the need for ever more expensive lenses.

Unfortunately....this hasn't stopped me lusting after these lenses.




Aug 29, 2024 at 06:08 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM ?


If you shoot raw files on the 11-24mm (or use a body that supports DLO modules for Jpgs), you would be surprised how well the corners on this lens clean up after some of Canon's Digital Lens Optimizer sauce.

Really clean.

Unfortunately like most ultrawides, it's compositionally tough to fill the foreground at say 11mm and up.
For shooting interiors without shift, the 12-24mm is much faster.

I assume for that price they are offering the 24mm TS-E II? Your original post omits the II reference.




Aug 29, 2024 at 10:52 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM ?


I have tse17, 24v2. And Laowa 15 macro shift for backpacking. I also have laowa 12/2.8 and Zeiss 15/2.8. And a Zeiss 25/2. I use shift for all of my landscape. I use faster primes for aurora and night shooting.

The tse24v2 is better than the tse24 v1. But still better than the 11-24 tilted and fixed in photoshop.

I have never been tempted by 11-24 because if you are usually off level to take advantage of uwa non shift, where I shoot there are trees everywhere, and they bow with off level. And to fix the bow, you end up stretching the eg 11mm image down to 14mm and causing loss of iq in corners. To spend so much money on a zoom that is so heavy and inferior to my shift lens bugs me. I would rather buy laowa 15 shift, TSE 17, and TSE24 - and use them. My view is that for landscape near trees, you need shift.

A lens like the 11-24 only works if you shooting off a cliff for perspective distortion - because you can shoot level. And this happens infrequently and I am not carrying a brick on a long hike.

If I was just getting one prime, I prefer a wider shift uwa over a wa, because uwa really wide needs more correction than less wide.. Eg tse17 over the tse 24. There is less perspective distortion (less need for shift) on 24 vs 17.

But if you are doing architecture shots tse 17 is too wide and causes stretching at edges, and you are better to shift and stitch tse24.



Aug 29, 2024 at 11:11 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM ?


sirimiri wrote:
I assume for that price they are offering the 24mm TS-E II? Your original post omits the II reference.


I also assumed he was talking about the mark II. However, if he’s actually referring to v1, I’d suggest picking the 11-24, which will perform noticeably better.



Aug 30, 2024 at 06:50 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM ?


I have the EF14L II and the TS-E17L as my landscape/city combo because the EF11-24L is too heavy and the TS-E24L that I sold was just not wide enough for real estate.


Aug 30, 2024 at 08:13 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM ?


@anthonygh
there is one TSE-24v2 for sale here at $900 usd. Obviously shipping and dutty charges might not make it such a a good deal....



Aug 30, 2024 at 11:17 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM ?


Like others above, I also have both. Well, actually had both as I just replaced my 11-24 with the RF 10-20 (smaller, lighter, front element doesn't protrude nearly as much, image quality is comparable).

The 2 lenses are very different. Since you have a local dealer with both available, I'd suggest heading over there with your camera and seeing if they'll let you mount each lens and even take a few shots in the shop or of the street. Then judge for yourself.

For me, UWA's are more about interesting near/far perspective by getting close to the subject and putting it in its environmental context. The TS-E is more for architectural work, city scapes, and increasing DoF at larger apertures.

For me, the biggest disadvantages of the 11-24 are its weight and the very bulbous front element. If you had an R-series camera I'd point you at the RF 10-20 f/4L.



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM ?


The TS lens is the mk 11...should have mentioned that.

I do have some concerns about the 11-24 weight issue. Currently I mainly use a 14-40L or 24 - 105L and sort any issues in Photoshop and don't have many problems; but on-line reviews keep pointing me to the versatility of the TS type lenses.

I didn't mention it but I am partly interested in the TS for studio work (model shoots / portraits ) as I have a small but well equipt
studio....and seen some interesting uses of the lens, studio and on location.



Aug 30, 2024 at 12:47 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM ?


The TS-E 90 and 135L would be more appropriate for studio work with the Tilt being more pronounced. Peter Figen would be the person to contact. https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1856524/?b=2


Aug 31, 2024 at 06:20 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM ?


I used to have both, for different purposes: the 24 (and 17) for my work for NASA, where I wanted straight lines and usually had hours of time to set up. That's about the only thing I did with the TSE: straight lines in architecture. The 11-24 did everything else, including lots of city shooting where straight lines weren't imperative, or it was acceptable to straighten them later in LR.

Divested from the TSE lenses and replaced the 11-24 with the 10-20.



Aug 31, 2024 at 06:34 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM ?


I would get the 11-24mm. Much more flexible, much wider. 24mm is often too long. You can get really close to the subject, crop if necessary and get a different perspective. And you can't always zoom out with your feet.


Sep 01, 2024 at 02:48 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM ?


You can use a TS-E lens for anything you'd use an equivalent non TS-E focal length lens. It just provides additional control over in-camera image quality that a standard lens does not, by allowing correction of perspective and control over the placement of the plane of focus (no longer fixed parallel to the sensor plane). That said you could theoretically shoot hand-held multi-image 'panos' at longer focal lengths, stitch them in post and fix perspective distortion, with more resolution than you'd have gotten in a single capture. I don't think your camera supports it (probably need a newer mirrorless), but for depth of field control, focus stacking is another solution that allows use of non-TS-E lenses to achieve a similar (and for some applications, a likely better) end result.

I would not get the 24 TS-E for portraiture. The 45/50 or 90 would be better focal lengths. And for portraiture, the typical appeal of the TS-E is for 'reverse tilt' to place a narrow plane of focus across a portion of the subject. Otherwise there's really no advantage to using the TS-E over a standard lens. As with anything, the reverse tilt look works in moderation. If done for everything it just gets old really fast. I'd rather spend the money on lighting and/or specialized light modifiers for the studio.

If you plan to use these for film, then the TS-E has a pretty significant benefit over standard lenses by being able to get more 'right' in-camera, for specific subject types, if your film images remain in a purely analogue workflow.

The 11-24 is a fun lens but as others have mentioned, you'll be dealing with its size, weight and fairly specialized uses. When you need it, you need it, but how often will that be the case? And as also mentioned, the wider the focal length, the more you have to work at making compelling images because of how prominent/dominant the foreground often is in such images. It might be a good learning experience!



Sep 02, 2024 at 11:28 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM ?


I had both as well as the 17 tse as well. If you have to get one get the 11-24. I found it to be great for everything and you can always straighten lines in Lightroom. I kept the 11-24 and sold the 24 tse. To be honest if you want architecture I would rather get the 17 instead of the 24 Mkii.


Sep 02, 2024 at 09:32 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM ?


anthonygh wrote:
I didn't mention it but I am partly interested in the TS for studio work (model shoots / portraits ) as I have a small but well equipt
studio.

If portrait is your purpose then skip T/S. I shoot portrait and tabletop in my studio where 90/100/135mm are my FLs of choice. Tilt is vital for tabletop and product, but of no value for portrait outside of some specialized missions (e.g. beauty). Besides 3-D subjects, the latest Canon TS-E 90/135 models are high performance and suitable for critical copywork with their 1:2 macro range. Here's a non-studio, handheld snapshot with the 135/4L, wide open, no movements:



Love the b/g blur but I can get the same results with a 70-200 zoom, AF, and lower price.



Sep 03, 2024 at 08:02 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM ?


It will be a bit of a gamble but I have been using two zooms that open to 17mm and 24mm for some portrait and figure work, and I do use filters a lot and add blur for the effect I like. Some of my stuff is a bit abstract; and nearly always B+W.

So looking for some figure distortion as well as figures in landscape / seascape environments. I have decided to see how my process works with a tilt / shift lens.

I'm relatively lucky in I can try these lenses on, effectively, a two week trial period; but want to go for the best option first.

I live in an area of Kent (UK) with a lot of historical architecture and stunning coasts so will make use of it there as well.



Sep 04, 2024 at 08:10 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM ?


Very close to buying the 24mm Tilt/shift lens; but a bit of a dilemma....the mark one, or the much more expensive mk 2 (twice the price plus)

Decided to go for the 24mm option after seeing numerous sample pics on-line...I think it is about right for my needs; and as mentioned earlier, have two weeks to change my mind.

I know the Mk 2 is considered the better lens, but my thinking is I could get another different FL Mk1 (say 90mm) and still be less expensive than the Mk2. So as mentioned above.....bit of a dilemma.

PS: Thanks to everyone who has responded to this post; it has been informative. Reminds me why I like this site...



Sep 29, 2024 at 07:40 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · EF TS-E 24mm F3.5 L or EF 11-24mm f/4L USM ?


Better is better, but with the T-S lenses I think you are buying for effect more than pixel peeping. You can have both with the vII, but at a cost....

I have a cheap T-S. I think its a Rokinon 24mm. Multipanel panoramas work fine. The miniaturization effect I have not had much luck with. I think its more pronounced with the longer FL T-S lenes. I kinda want a 50 or 90mm one to play with.

Brian



Sep 29, 2024 at 09:50 AM
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