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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Shooting images in 16:9 format


Like most photographers nowadays, I never print any photos and all them are consumed either on social media or viewed on TV with family.
Since most of the time the end format is TV, I'm thinking about completely switch to shooting in 16:9 format instead of 3:2 on my Z8.
Is there any possible issues with that approach apart for me losing some resolution?
Aug 28, 2024 at 01:15 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Shooting images in 16:9 format




ajamils wrote:
Like most photographers nowadays, I never print any photos and all them are consumed either on social media or viewed on TV with family.
Since most of the time the end format is TV, I'm thinking about completely switch to shooting in 16:9 format instead of 3:2 on my Z8.
Is there any possible issues with that approach apart for me losing some resolution?

I don't know of too many people shooting in this aspect ratio, but I find it interesting. There is nothing like having images perfectly optimized for TVs and monitors since they are commonly 16:9/10. I have been exclusively shooting square images since Instagram launched.



Aug 28, 2024 at 02:17 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Shooting images in 16:9 format


ajamils wrote:
Like most photographers nowadays, I never print any photos and all them are consumed either on social media or viewed on TV with family.
Since most of the time the end format is TV, I'm thinking about completely switch to shooting in 16:9 format instead of 3:2 on my Z8.
Is there any possible issues with that approach apart for me losing some resolution?

If you choose 16:9 in the camera, the top and bottom image edge aeras are never recorded in the files. I think sometimes you might find that there would have been useful information there even if you aim for 16:9 presentation. A slight adjustment in framing in post, for example, that you could do if you keep the full 2:3 frame.

Furthermore even if you aim to present images on TV (i.e. in a horizontal format) if social media includes mobile devices, phones are usually held in a vertical orientation in people's hands and thus the horizontal format leads to really small images taking up only a small part of the already small display. The viewer may turn the device in landscape orientation, but depending on the presentation platform, the image may not rotate with the device (i.e. instagram, for example, doesn't show landscape orientation images in full screen). Thus you may want to adopt some images to vertical orientation and for this purpose 16:9 is really quite narrow. Instagram can display 4:5 images in vertical orientation correctly and they take a reasonable part of the screen in the feed. If your images are of scenes, the landscape orientation displayed on TV or computer in landscape orientation works well, but if they are of individual subjects (people, animals, objects etc.) it may be that the vertical orientation works better. In that case you may have wished you'd shot without the 16:9 restriction in-camera.

If you really plan on completely standardizing on landscape presentation and don't think you'd want to adjust the framing in post, shooting instead with strict framing in camera then the 16:9 option may help you. However, personally I find myself often taking advantage of refining composition in post by slightly cropping the image and sometimes have shot too tight, in such cases I take advantage of the full image of the sensor.


Aug 28, 2024 at 02:44 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Shooting images in 16:9 format


If you shoot raw then the whole image is still retained so you can recrop in post.

Just do some tests on your own images by cropping them down to 16:9 and see if they look OK on all the media used for consumption.
Aug 28, 2024 at 03:27 AM
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ilkka_nissila wrote:
If you choose 16:9 in the camera, the top and bottom image edge aeras are never recorded in the files. I think sometimes you might find that there would have been useful information there even if you aim for 16:9 presentation. A slight adjustment in framing in post, for example, that you could do if you keep the full 2:3 frame.

Furthermore even if you aim to present images on TV (i.e. in a horizontal format) if social media includes mobile devices, phones are usually held in a vertical orientation in people's hands and thus the horizontal format leads to...Show more →

I had no idea Instagram could display 4:5 correctly. Do you have any examples of how it looks on the feed and the photos themselves?

Any cameras with a 4:5 aspect ratio option?
Aug 28, 2024 at 03:27 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Shooting images in 16:9 format


ilkka_nissila wrote:
If you choose 16:9 in the camera, the top and bottom image edge aeras are never recorded in the files. I think sometimes you might find that there would have been useful information there even if you aim for 16:9 presentation. A slight adjustment in framing in post, for example, that you could do if you keep the full 2:3 frame.

Furthermore even if you aim to present images on TV (i.e. in a horizontal format) if social media includes mobile devices, phones are usually held in a vertical orientation in people's hands and thus the horizontal format leads to...Show more →


Valid point. Is that a fact that in 16:9 the data is nor recorded at all? I thought RAW will still have all the data and it is only "presented" in the format of my choosing for better composition and editing.

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mcbroomf wrote:
If you shoot raw then the whole image is still retained so you can recrop in post.

Just do some tests on your own images by cropping them down to 16:9 and see if they look OK on all the media used for consumption.

That is my understanding as well. Let me do some testing.


Aug 28, 2024 at 01:15 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Shooting images in 16:9 format


The Fujis using the 40 mpx sensor offer the option of 4x5.

lsquare wrote:
I had no idea Instagram could display 4:5 correctly. Do you have any examples of how it looks on the feed and the photos themselves?

Any cameras with a 4:5 aspect ratio option?
Aug 28, 2024 at 01:33 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Shooting images in 16:9 format




ajamils wrote:
Like most photographers nowadays, I never print any photos and all them are consumed either on social media or viewed on TV with family.
Since most of the time the end format is TV, I'm thinking about completely switch to shooting in 16:9 format instead of 3:2 on my Z8.
Is there any possible issues with that approach apart for me losing some resolution?

Not all compositions fit that format. I personally would not try to force the aspect ratio just to fit your display device. Compose the image to its best aspect to achieve your vision. I’d personally hate portraits done to the 16:9 format.
Aug 28, 2024 at 01:48 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Shooting images in 16:9 format


You have probably seen images on TV news feeds where they will fill the out of aspect areas with a blur of the original image. Even Raw NEF's set to an in camera crop do not record outside the crop area. You could create a 16:9 PhotoShop template file and then drop you images into that to get your crop, I do this everyday.
Aug 28, 2024 at 02:35 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Shooting images in 16:9 format


mcbroomf wrote:
If you shoot raw then the whole image is still retained so you can recrop in post.

Just do some tests on your own images by cropping them down to 16:9 and see if they look OK on all the media used for consumption.

Just took couple of test shots with Z8 in RAW and when I open them up in LR, it does show 16:9 image as such and I don't see a way to get the whole image back. So it does seem like if 16:9 is chosen in camera, the top and bottom data is not captured.


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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Shooting images in 16:9 format


ajamils wrote:
Just took couple of test shots with Z8 in RAW and when I open them up in LR, it does show 16:9 image as such and I don't see a way to get the whole image back. So it does seem like if 16:9 is chosen in camera, the top and bottom data is not captured.

I don't have Nikon but with Sony you get the whole image in LR when shooting Raw and then have to (re-)crop it. Selecting the crop tool shows the whole image
Aug 28, 2024 at 05:51 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Shooting images in 16:9 format


Shoot normal.
Use a batch, or action set in whatever software to crop.
At the same time resize to fit resolution of the TV.

Personally, I'd rather leave at 3:2 and have some black bars either side.
For some shots, a wider view may be preferrable so crop them to 16:9, or even wider with some black bars top and bottom.

What about portrait orientation? I find some can benefit from a 3:4 or other crop. Others can't be cropped without losing some actual subject, or lose impact from original 2:3. So unless you want to add a 2nd TV mounted on it's side next to your existing TV, and can work out some way to send portrait orientation pics to the 2nd TV, your screwed. Or just don't include any for TV viewing.

In summary, one size fit's all is not good for this application.
Aug 28, 2024 at 08:07 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Shooting images in 16:9 format


I've got it!
Buy exact same model TV for the 2nd, portrait orientation display.
Load pics on 2 thumb drives.
For the landscape thrumb drive, add some all black pics to align with when portrait pics will be displayed on the other TV.
Replicate on the portrait thumb drive.
Now connect both drives and start the slideshow at the same time.

If I was being serious, I would explain my method of using 1 remote for 2 devices situated next to each other.
(I used to have 2 x PVR's and used 1 remote)
Aug 28, 2024 at 08:14 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Shooting images in 16:9 format


I find that many images don’t fit a particular aspect ratio, so I’m often cropping…even keeping the default ratio often requires a bit of cropping to get just the composition I’m after. It’s not a big deal to make a 16:9 cropping template if your pp software doesn’t already have one. I definitely wouldn’t shoot with a non-standard aspect ratio.
Aug 28, 2024 at 09:16 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Shooting images in 16:9 format


Better to keep the originals in the format of the sensor. How anyone views them changes overtime. If you dont want to manually crop them I think the TV must have an option to maximise the image horizontaly.
Aug 28, 2024 at 09:59 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Shooting images in 16:9 format


ACHILLEAS-V wrote:
Better to keep the originals in the format of the sensor. How anyone views them changes overtime. If you dont want to manually crop them I think the TV must have an option to maximise the image horizontaly.

Thanks for the advise. I think I'm going to stick with that option. Take photos in native format and then crop in post. Even though it will be a little more work, it will give more flexibility.


Aug 29, 2024 at 11:30 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Shooting images in 16:9 format


You can set up a crop preset if you need to process a lot of files the same way, though you may have to go back into the crop tool and move the image a little
Aug 30, 2024 at 03:22 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Shooting images in 16:9 format


It still hurts to know that so many perfectly good photons are being wasted in the 42mm circular lens projection just because 3:2 was selected 80 years ago. Just give us 36x32 or 40-square sensor, and set us free to choose our ratio!

[steam vent closed]
Aug 31, 2024 at 10:11 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Shooting images in 16:9 format


Almost none of my portfolio-type photos would work in 16:9 because they weren't visualized and captured with that in mind.

If you could do the Ken Burns pan and zoom effect on 2:3 images instead, that would make a lot more sense. Google Chromecast used to be able to link up with Flickr galleries for this, not sure if that's even a thing anymore.
Aug 31, 2024 at 10:26 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Shooting images in 16:9 format


jwpstl wrote:
The Fujis using the 40 mpx sensor offer the option of 4x5.



All GFX including GFX50s from 8 yrs ago do that too. I do use 16:9 in camera on my GFX. Sometimes I do 1:1. The problem for me is that C1 doesn't respect the in camera crop. Lr is good for that purposes. You still have the whole raw file but Lr would show the image as shot in camera. You can disable the crop. Wish C1 did that.
Sep 10, 2024 at 09:32 AM
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