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Does a "no frills" travel camera exist, Canon or otherwise?

  
 
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p.5 #1 · p.5 #1 · Does a "no frills" travel camera exist, Canon or otherwise?


The 1" compact cameras brought a very significant upgrade in image quality over the 8x6 mm sensors in the older cameras they largely replaced in the market. I have used a number of them, Sony RX100 several versions, Canon G5x II, Nikon 1.

I was never quite happy with the image quality frim the 1" sensors compared to the 24MP ish APS-C sensors. That's why I chose the Canon G1XIII with APS-C sensor in 2017 (?). It would have been my recommendation, but it is also getting long in the tooth.

Image quality wise, I don't think you can go wrong with any newer camera with APS-C sensor.



Aug 31, 2024 at 01:39 AM
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p.5 #2 · p.5 #2 · Does a "no frills" travel camera exist, Canon or otherwise?


Has anyone mentioned the canon G7xiii? It looks pretty good and definitely compact


Aug 31, 2024 at 04:55 AM
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p.5 #3 · p.5 #3 · Does a "no frills" travel camera exist, Canon or otherwise?


gdanmitchell wrote:
And when you display your images on social media and in email as jpg images you are not getting that full range anyway – that file format has less dynamic range than the raw files from your camera.


then…

melcat wrote:
No it doesn’t. The dynamic range is retained, by transforming according to a log curve (hence “gamma”, the log base, and “linear” as in “linear DNG”, the untransformed curve). This does cause a loss of gradation between adjacent brightness values, but the log curve means that the gradation loss is concentrated in brightness values that humans find hard to distinguish anyway.


I urge you to actually try this with a maximum DR raw file — not one with a few points at the extremes, but one in which large portions of the image are at the extreme ends of the DR.

Assuming that you adjust exposure so as to avoid blowing out the bright end (that’s really important, as you cannot recover blown highlights) you will find that the far dark end of the range is nearly black. There’s data there, and there’s less noise with the high DR systems, so you can recover it in post, but it isn’t going to look the way you want until you do that post—processing.

If you simply apply a curve to the whole image to expand the luminosity values at the low end and then output to print or jpg, etc. you lose contrast in other parts of the dynamic range and end up with very flat looking images. That’s why working with high DR files generally requires significant post-processing.




Aug 31, 2024 at 09:57 AM
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p.5 #4 · p.5 #4 · Does a "no frills" travel camera exist, Canon or otherwise?


John Power wrote:
Has anyone mentioned the canon G7xiii? It looks pretty good and definitely compact


My 6.5 year old G1X3 is still going strong and still has IQ that compares well with my R5 and R7. 24 MP full APS-C 80D vintage sensor. Sharp 15-45, ~24-70, f2.8-5.6 lens. weather sealing, 1 lb weight, available 30m underwater housing. I use mine when I have a tele on the main camera or by itself. About $1K used or refurb. Last of its kind I'm afraid - much better images than an iPhone 15 pro as we compared at the Vatican recently.

But if I were buying a compact stand alone kit today it would be:

reefroamer wrote:
Sometimes, it’s just the R10 and 18-150 (equivalent of about 28-240 FF), which is good for most things for me.


1.6 lbs, other lenses if you need them. My wife often uses the R7 + 18-150 by itself, 2 lbs. If I had discovered the 18-150 back in my M days I might have kept it just for this use.

But remember, the R bodies have, you know, frills.



Aug 31, 2024 at 10:37 AM
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