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For those that have used other systems, do you feel that Fuji's weakness is in their zoom lenses? Like, are their zoom offerings less and/or not as strong of performers as other brands? If you disagree, what zooms do you feel are worthy of a top shelf perch...?
Primes, a different story, a different topic.



Aug 24, 2024 at 10:41 AM
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I have the 16-55 and 50-140 f/2.8 lenses and they are in the same class as the equivalent FF lenses. I have the 100-400, and while it is an excellent lens in many ways it does not reach quite the same focus performance for me as my Canon equivalent. (To be fair, it is fiving the angle-of-view performance of a FF 150-600.)

The Fujifilm 18-55 kit lens is better than the equivalent Canon lenses I have used.



Aug 24, 2024 at 11:43 AM
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RWNPhoto wrote:
For those that have used other systems, do you feel that Fuji's weakness is in their zoom lenses? Like, are their zoom offerings less and/or not as strong of performers as other brands? If you disagree, what zooms do you feel are worthy of a top shelf perch...?
Primes, a different story, a different topic.


The 16-55 and the 50-140 are certainly outstanding - but they are as large, heavy and expensive as they are oustanding. Never owned them since i believe they defeat the purpose of the Fuji cameras. The 15-45 and the 18-55 are both okay, but do have focus issues on my cameras. Sold them both. Some believe in the 16-80 (nice range) but from what I have read, IQ is not at the top.

The one lens that I think fits the Fuji system is the Sigma 18-50. Small, light, relatively inexpensive. While I firmly believe in Fuji and primes, I might get one for the X-T2.



Aug 24, 2024 at 11:56 AM
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The 18-55 is actually a very good performer. In optical terms it is essentially in the same category as the 16-55, believe it or not. Fujifilm built a kit lens with that one that is not like the typical kit lenses from other manufacturers. I actually recommend it over the 16-55 to a lot of people asking about a zoom that covers this range, particularly if size/weight are an issue.

As to the big zoom being big, well, yes… big zooms are big.

The 50-150 is a bit smaller than lighter than my Canon 70-200mm f/2.8L and fairly similar to my Canon 70-200mm F/4L lenses. The 16-55 f/2.8 is large by Fujifilm standards, but it is notably smaller than my arguably equivalent Canon 24-70mm f/2.8. The 100-400 is not quite as big as my Canon 100-400, yet it gives the “reach” of a 600mm focal length on 1.5x crop.

As for such lenses “defeating the purpose of the Fuji cameras,” one is entitled to that opinion. However, I look at it differently.

I primarily use Fujifilm x-trans cameras with small primes, since the main use is street and travel photography. They are, indeed, well suited to use with those kinds of lenses, and Fujifilm makes a bunch of good ones.

I look at the other, larger lenses as allowing me to expand the functional performance of the Fujifilm system beyond that, however. For example, on several hiking trips (a couple in the Sierra Nevada and recently the Great Glen Way in Scotland), I carried the 16-55 as my main lens since that works better for landscape-type photography for me. (I also brought along my 27mm f/2.8 for use in places like Edinburgh, Glasgow, and London… and I ended up finding the zoom useful there, too. (And, yes, the 18-55, if I still had it, would have worked well here, too.)

I like the larger lenses for a few other reasons. Sometimes when hiking with FF I carry just a 70-200mm and my 24-70mm with a large Canon 5DsR body and a pretty hefty tripod. But I can swap that out for the XT5, 16-55, 50-140, and a smaller tripod… and carry a smaller and lighter pack.

I’ve been using the 100-400 as part of my system for winter migratory bird photography. I like to run two systems when I do this, since I frequently shift between long lens bird photography and “birds in the landscape” photography done with shorter focal lengths. So I might set up the Fuji with the 100-400 (sometimes with the 1.4x TC) and the Canon system with a normal or wide lens. I’ve been known to have both set up side by side.

I’d also point out that for some folks who use one system and can’t or prefer not to cart around multiple camera, these lenses let them extend the usefulness of their small Fujifilm system beyond just the prime-based street and travel photography to almost any other kind of work they might want to do.

So, rather than thinking of them as defeating the purpose of the Fujifilm system, think of them potentially expanding its renate.

And, of course, if your preference is entirely to use small primes or other miniature lenses, you can find those.

And finally, the question was about which of the zooms are or are not “strong performers,” not about whether or not it is appropriate to use them on Fujifilm. (Fujifilm makes them, so they just think they are appropriate! ;-) )

YMMV.

Oh, one small negative on the 50-140. It comes with a strange, large tripod foot that sticks out much farther from the lens than necessary. I replaced mine with a much more compact third-party option.



Aug 24, 2024 at 01:46 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Fuji Zooms


Most of the typically used zooms on X are older designs and typically softer/slower/heavier than their modern FF counterparts...18-50, 16-55, 50-140...the 16-80 had some significant breathing/pulsing issues at launch and wound up being middling in terms of rendering regardless. The 10-24 redesign is fine but nothing special in the big scheme of things. I've said it before but Fuji's zooms are the last reason and least compelling one to enter the X system. They are passable but certainly not excellent by modern standards.


Aug 24, 2024 at 03:55 PM
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I have nothing but X mount primes. Got rid of my 16-55 because it was soft AF for some odd reason or having focusing issues, avoided the 50-140 because I don't think 2.8 indoors is fast enough and just use the 90 and 200F2 for reach. Had a 100-400 and got rid of that as well. That's how much I like X mount zooms. Wanted to get the 150-600, but I currently don't even bird enough to warrant it. I hope the next 16-55 2.8 is better than the current one. Also no. I don't think the current X mount zooms can hold a candle to the current Z mount zooms. I've had enough of each to cross reference and not be delusional about it.


Aug 24, 2024 at 04:36 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Fuji Zooms


The XF 150-600 is a superb lens which, in combination with the X-H2S, makes Fuji a serious contender for wildlife photography.

The XF 150-600 is a 225-900mm full frame equivalent. Yes, it’s f/8 at 600mm. but to get close to that reach, a 600mm f/6.3 lens on a full frame body with a 1.4 TC gives you 840mm at f/9, which is both less reach and less light. With the tiny Fujifilm 1.4 TC, I can get to 1260mm at f/11.

The XF 70-300 is also an excellent telephoto zoom (105-450 FF equivalent) that can also be used with the Fuji 1.4 TC.



Aug 24, 2024 at 04:52 PM
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Please post a 1260/11 shot that isn't irrevocably marred by atmospherics and is a serious keeper. I'd say I'd wait, but I don't have that kind of time


Aug 24, 2024 at 04:58 PM
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I would say the 16-55/2.8 is better than the Nikon AF 24-70, but not as good as the Z version. Ditto the 50-140/2.8 vs Nikon 70-200/2.8’s; and ditto the 16-80/4 compared to Nikon’s last AF 24-120 and the Z version. The 10-24 is about equal to the Z 14-30, not stellar but excellent for what it is. The 100-400 is significantly better than the AF 200-500, but again behind the Z 180-600. IOW, yes the newest Fx mirrorless versions are better, but the difference isn’t that significant in most real-life imaging situations. Certainly not enough I “miss” my Z zooms — the relative about 1/2 sizes of the XF zooms are far more attractive to me than the Fx options.

If Fuji can tune their AF to match the best CaNikSon offerings, I would buy a 150-600 in a nano as a wildlife lens. I don’t own it but have seen several 40mp images from it and it appears on par optically —or better than— the Z 180-600.



Aug 24, 2024 at 05:16 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
Please post a 1260/11 shot that isn't irrevocably marred by atmospherics and is a serious keeper. I'd say I'd wait, but I don't have that kind of time


Your time is precious, so I wouldn't want to make you wait too long.

Both photos taken from the parking lot below. The first is at 840mm = 1260 FF equivalent. The second is just for perspective on the the location of the nest.





Osprey landing with fish at nest in shopping mall

  X-H2S    XF150-600mmF5.6-8 R LM OIS WR + 1.4x lens    840mm    f/11.0    1/2000s    1600 ISO    -0.3 EV  







Osprey nest in abandonned shopping mall




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xtabber wrote:
Your time is precious, so I wouldn't want to make you wait too long.

Both photos taken from the parking lot below. The first is at 840mm = 1260 FF equivalent. The second is just for perspective on the the location of the nest.


And as suspected, it's well short of a keeper due to both atmospherics and missed focus, things that are EXTREMELY hard to overcome past 800mm (and often AT 800mm) and things serious wildlife photographers know to avoid.

Effective focal length doesn't make a lens.



Aug 25, 2024 at 10:35 AM
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Ive owned the 50-140, 16-55, 18-55, 10-24 and 16-80 (ive listed them in order of which i was most impresed by). I've enjoyed them all, But if comparing to the Sony ff lenses I've owned, they are just ok.

To me the difference in my photos when editing was immediately noticeable.

I know, I know, put them on social media or whatever and no one will ever know the difference. True, but that doesn't change my opinion about current ff lenses being noticeably better over all when it comes to image quality (the Sony ones I experienced specifically)



Aug 25, 2024 at 10:40 AM
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rantercsr wrote:
Ive owned the 50-140, 16-55, 18-55, 10-24 and 16-80 (ive listed them in order of which i was most impresed by). I've enjoyed them all, But if comparing to the Sony ff lenses I've owned, they are just ok.

To me the difference in my photos when editing was immediately noticeable.

I know, I know, put them on social media or whatever and no one will ever know the difference. True, but that doesn't change my opinion about current ff lenses being noticeably better over all when it comes to image quality (the Sony ones I experienced specifically)


This, exactly. Same applies with every FF brand right now.

Without derision, Fuji X is a great system for amateurs that don't know what they don't know, and you can get really nice results out of it. You can of course get markedly better results with a modern FF setup, but for many, they only care about posting thumbnails on FM and IG so it doesn't matter.

For literally every genre of photography, a significantly better option at a marginal price difference exists on the FF side.



Aug 25, 2024 at 10:44 AM
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I shoot on their X primes mixed in with the GFX and Z9 often enough. Nobody for the most part cares as long as the shot looks good. I do think their 2.8 zooms, which are essentially just DoF equivalent F4 zooms are just middling though. I kind of want that new 16-50 for event work, but I'm personally in no rush and if I need a zoom that badly for that stuff I just use the Z system.
RoamingScott wrote:
This, exactly. Same applies with every FF brand right now.

Without derision, Fuji X is a great system for amateurs that don't know what they don't know, and you can get really nice results out of it. You can of course get markedly better results with a modern FF setup, but for many, they only care about posting thumbnails on FM and IG so it doesn't matter.

For literally every genre of photography, a significantly better option at a marginal price difference exists on the FF side.





Aug 25, 2024 at 10:55 AM
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RoamingScott wrote:
Without derision, Fuji X is a great system for amateurs that don't know what they don't know…


Ah, I see we’ve moved on to the “serious photographers don’t use it” silliness now.

Give it a break. Though I know you won’t.

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For the more rational of you out there:

This isn’t about “what is The Very Sharpest Lens In The Whole Wide World.” It is about how to these lenses work. The truth is that all of the lenses under discussion in this thread (the ones I’ve used and, I take on faith, those from manufacturers I don’t use) are very good performers. Trying to divide lenses into three categories (The Very Best Ever!, Really Good, and Unacceptably Terrible) is nonsensical.

Are the Fujifilm zoom lenses, used on a APS-C 1.5x cropped sensor system, going to produce lab bench test results equal to the very best lenses used on a system with a larger format? No, of course not.

Are they going to produce excellent results, good enough for professional use? Indeed they can.

I’ve licensed for large reproduction and sold large prints of photographs made with the Fujifilm APS-C system, and they are excellent. I also use a high MP FF system. Yes, I can produce even larger prints/files with that, but unless you are regularly printing beyond 20” x 30” or so, these differences are academic.

While a few folks seem to make it their crusade to knock down all gear but their very favorite, and do it in a way that suggests real photographers would only use their personal favorites, almost all photographers I know understand that is not how it works.



Aug 25, 2024 at 11:12 AM
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JadedWriter wrote:
I shoot on their X primes mixed in with the GFX and Z9 often enough. Nobody for the most part cares as long as the shot looks good. I do think their 2.8 zooms, which are essentially just DoF equivalent F4 zooms are just middling though. I kind of want that new 16-50 for event work, but I'm personally in no rush and if I need a zoom that badly for that stuff I just use the Z system.



X prime output is where you maximize the system for sure.



Aug 25, 2024 at 11:26 AM
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I've used the 10-24,18-55, 16-80, and the 100-400. I still use all but the 18-55. Nothing wrong with the 18-55 but I liked the range of the 16-80 more. I have no complaints regarding the lenses. I like the build quality, ergonomics, and sharpness. As far as size, that is a non-issue as far as I'm concerned. If you want to go smaller or lighter, Fuji has a nice selection of primes available. A person just has to find what works for them, not worry too much about the fact that their pick may not work for everyone.


Aug 25, 2024 at 12:35 PM
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No matter what system I’m using, let it be Nikon F, Z, Fuji, Sony, Leica M, I always use prime.
Now repeat after me : all the zoom sucks, no exception 🤪



Aug 25, 2024 at 04:00 PM
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rollei35_warton wrote:
No matter what system I’m using, let it be Nikon F, Z, Fuji, Sony, Leica M, I always use prime.
Now repeat after me : all the zoom sucks, no exception 🤪


You're threatening a monopoly on worst takes of FM.



Aug 25, 2024 at 04:21 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
You're threatening a monopoly on worst takes of FM.


No worries, Scott. You’re in no danger of losing that monopoly! ;-)

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In other news. Fujifilm does make a bunch of great primes. They also make some very nice zooms.



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